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    Posted: 28 Feb 07 at 4:10pm

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Originally posted by Steve Cockerill

We will have a carbon top mast on show at the Dinghy Show for use on the Rooster 8.1 Rig. 

i'm not a particularly technical sailor, i just enjoy it!!!

Why is the carbon top section only for the 8.1??? Can it not be used for the smaller rigs to save weight? Surely if it manages with an 8.1 rig, it would be really good on the smaller rigs aswell because it means theres hardly any chance of the top section snapping!!!

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Hi there - great debate - keep up the good work! 

My feeling is, that since the Laser is designed for racing for up to two persons(class rules permit)  - then one large person is not going to be any different to two small people - or even a really fit medium sized one in terms of hull load.

I have sailed lasers since 1992, in a wide range of conditions, up to 40 knts and huge waves - I think that the hull is an impressive design that can take a real pounding.  There were some 105 kg blokes sailing in Brazil at the Maters World Championships last year that could really make the boat go upwind in 30 knts and 14 foot waves.   I have also sailed the Rooster 8.1 in 20 knts plus and found it to be a calmer experince than the standard Laser - bit like a Jaguar compared to a Porche, but certainly hard work for my 79Kg.   I feel sure it will be more successful as a rig for large inland sailors - but I do know of some larger sea sailors who are keen to go for a play too.     We will have a carbon top mast on show at the Dinghy Show for use on the Rooster 8.1 Rig.  I have been currently using an old traded in second hand aluminium top mast in testing - and no after effects yet.  Also the hull used for testing has been my beach boat at Stokes Bay - an old workhorse - and no signs of wear more than the normal. 

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Originally posted by NickA


Apart from the old (wooden step) laser hulls, has anyone lost a mast foot? All we've had is a broken top mast - due to the radial sail's cut rather than total force.


Had a mast go through the bottom of the hull (not on my boat) and had a mast rip through a deck (again not on my boat) so on the older boats this could be an issue for older hulls.

Only time will tell (having said that Noble say anything older than a 100,000 hull number the mast step is not covered if it fails).
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Originally posted by Pierre

Good grief, until something happens untoward, then second guessing outcomes would appear somewhat pointless. 

There is no empiracle data to work from, or even any material data available, so who knows what will happen? Probably not very much.  Just top mast sections breaking as per usual.

Looks like a good idea to me, and far more likely to get the nod on the expenditure front from the family banker.

Actually the biggest risk of damage is of course digging the rig in the mud which can happen regardless of rig size ...

Good point, well made.

 

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Originally posted by 49erGBR735HSC

Is 1sqm of sail area going to make that difference in a loading sense? Think everyone is over exagerating the modifications and the loading difference isn't going to be that great. I assume that during the design stages, Steve would have taken all these thoughts into consideration. As Pierre says, best leaving judgement until something happens. IMO the boat doesn't need new foils, the loads won't be that great, the XD kit isn't ruining the hulls and the developments should be viewed as something positive instead of being met by scaremongering.

Who's scaremongering ... I think some of us are saying it won't make any diference ...

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Is 1sqm of sail area going to make that difference in a loading sense? Think everyone is over exagerating the modifications and the loading difference isn't going to be that great. I assume that during the design stages, Steve would have taken all these thoughts into consideration. As Pierre says, best leaving judgement until something happens. IMO the boat doesn't need new foils, the loads won't be that great, the XD kit isn't ruining the hulls and the developments should be viewed as something positive instead of being met by scaremongering.
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I was thinking Rooster could make a carbon/kevlar hull that we could put the mast step in
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Originally posted by Norbert


Maybe Rooster could build a carbon/kevlar cassette to fit inside the mast step. Steve?

At last, one of us has come up with a constructive comment

 

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Guest Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Feb 07 at 12:05pm
Originally posted by Pierre

Good grief, until something happens untoward, then second guessing outcomes would appear somewhat pointless. 

There is no empiracle data to work from, or even any material data available, so who knows what will happen? Probably not very much.  Just top mast sections breaking as per usual.

Looks like a good idea to me, and far more likely to get the nod on the expenditure front from the family banker.

Actually the biggest risk of damage is of course digging the rig in the mud which can happen regardless of rig size ...

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