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timeintheboat ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 01 Feb 07 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 615 |
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Like many I'll be watching the progress of this one with interest. This has the potential to be a cheap way back into exciting single handed sailing.
Is the sail mylar? If so that won't like flapping about too much. What about the loads on an older sleeved boom when depowering? Good for Rooster. |
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Like some other things - sailing is more enjoyable when you do it with someone else
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Villan ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 26 Nov 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1768 |
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You still have to catch the clew though!!
Also, A few years ago, Wern't the metal "tiedowns" frowned upon? |
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Adam.s ![]() Posting king ![]() Joined: 28 Aug 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 122 |
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''Try and catch clew as it flaps around and then struggle to get it tied off (velcro straps help here but still very fiddly)'' Hopefully this new clew sleeve will make attaching the sail so much easier, i'm going to get one |
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mike ellis ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 30 Dec 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2339 |
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i saw the 8.1 out on sunday, what i saw of it (about 5 minutes off the start line and when it went past me down wind) looked very good. mind you it was being sailed by a very good sailor. the rig looks like it will last much longer than a bog standard laser sail. but at 70kg i wouldnt like to try sailing it in any more than a force 3.
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600 732, will call it Sticks and Stones when i get round to it.
Also International 14, 1318 |
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Medway Maniac ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 13 May 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2788 |
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That's why I said the average loading would increase. But once you're fully hiked on the beat, the righting moment and the equal and opposite heeling moment of the rig is at a maximum and can't go beyond that, whatever you do with the sail size. The "force on the centre of effort" could only increase if you had more righting moment to balance it with, which you don't, so you have to start luffing or dumping (assuming you're already on max sail flattening). |
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foaminatthedeck ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 18 May 06 Online Status: Offline Posts: 318 |
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Surly the max loading will increase, if for a given crew weight is the boat is kept flat, and the sail size is increased the force acting on the centre of effort will increase therefore the moment acting about the mast foot will increase so the load at that point will increase. |
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jeffers ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 29 Mar 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 3048 |
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I can rig my Blaze from being in the boat park to being on the water and sailing in less than 10 minutes, the best I managed in the Laser was 20 (provided I was changed first of course). Rigging the Blaze: Attach sail you mast using velcro strap, attach clew to boon using velcro strap and hook on outhaul. Attach halyard to top of sail and hoist. Put cunningham through sail in clip on to gooseneck mounting Put rudder on...done rigging the Laser... Put mast sections together Unroll sail Pull sail down mast Put mast in mast step put cunnigham through cringle and tie off to vang mounting put boom on gooseneck Try and catch clew as it flaps around and then struggle to get it tied off (velcro straps help here but still very fiddly) Hook outhaul on sheet sail in and hook vang on attach rudder attach bungee for daggerboard check to make sure all the ropes are not tangled and caught as you cannot do anything about it once on the water Launch (at last). I have to say I enjoyed sailing the Laser when I had it but would not go back to one now after having the Blaze for over a year... Good for Rooster try and and do what Laser need to do but I guess that means they are out of being a strict (SM)OD at that point which is good because it means old boats are still competitive. Horses for courses though....pays your money and takes your choice...If I am offered a ride in an 8.1 I will probably take it out of curiosity if nothing else..... Paul |
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allanorton ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 21 Nov 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 228 |
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I agree, but dragging a dacron sail in the dirt can't be a good way of rigging a boat. |
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hum3 ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 23 Jun 06 Online Status: Offline Posts: 247 |
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16 stone man holding a standard rigged boat flat is going to have the same sideways stress as 16 stone man hiking out to hold both a 4.7 or an 8.1 flat. True dat... The average sailor weight will go up, which will put more stress on the hull in the long run, but enough to cause damage? I guess we'll find out soon enough. |
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Medway Maniac ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 13 May 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2788 |
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Given that the max righting moment is determied by the sailor not the sail, the max loading on the mast step on the beat won't be affected by sail size. The average loading may be increased though, in that a fatty will be fully-hiked over a wider range of conditions (though as an aside, it's interesting to appreciate that the max potential thrust of the rig, when fully hiked, will actually decrease with increasing sail size as the centre of effort is moved skywards, increasing heeling moment and necessitating a lower force to equate to the same heeling/righting moment!). Well off-wind, where loads are effectively unlimited due to the possibility of bearing off ever-further in the gusts, the mast step loadings will be increased by a bigger rig. So, Laser might have a point if they quibbled over warranty claims.
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