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    Posted: 26 Feb 07 at 1:50pm
It looks to me like the Rooster 8.1 is going to be used for club handicap racing by those people who currently struggle for speed in the light stuff. I can't see any reason why a sailor couldn't have a Rooster fake radial sail for the windy days and an 8.1 for the lighter days and enjoy handicap racing far more than currently. Our club allows any boat to be sailed in a series (ie I could sail a Firefly in one race and a Mirror in another), with the result going to the helm, so I can see it working very well.
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If the likes of the Finn, Phantom and maybe the Blaze are looking to recruit dissafected Laser sailors that have grown up and become too heavy then this 8.1 might have a negative impact on their growth and development plans. In fact, thinking on the hoof here, this 8.1 might make the Laser even more of a suitable Finn trainer.

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Originally posted by Xpletive

Obvious - If you can say DEMOGRAPHICS you buy a Laser. If you know what it means you buy a Blaze.



Now that says it all. I am not worried about a Rooster 8.1 at all, I know my Blaze is faster than a Laser could ever be (aside from maybe a radial in a steady F7+ when I will be in the bar).

Will be interesting to see next weekend though.....
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So in what respect would they be very different?

Obvious - If you can say DEMOGRAPHICS you buy a Laser. If you know what it means you buy a Blaze.
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Originally posted by blaze720


I agree about the demographic - very different

Demographics is a shortened term for 'population characteristics'. Demographics include race, age, income, mobility, educational attainment, home ownership, employment status, and even location. Distributions of values within a demographic variable, and across households, are both of interest, as well as trends over time.

So in what respect would they be very different?
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Originally posted by MRJP BUZZ 585

Is there anything to stop laser developing a official 8.1 rig and selling bits for extreme prices?

Well hopefully market forces.
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Is there anything to stop laser developing a official 8.1 rig and selling bits for extreme prices?
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I agree about the demographic - very different but I don't think anyone is worried.  Good luck with the 8.1 you know the idea found favour with many of us here as well in the past.  It needed doing.

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I don't know why the Blaze sailors seem so worried?  I think the Blaze is an excellent boat - but a totally different demographic to the new Rooster 8.1 sailor. 

As for Laser and the hijack - I think it is up to the owners of the Laser to deceide if they want be a Rooster 8.1 sailor.   I can see the caption - sail a Rooster 8.1 and every day can be a windy day!
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Originally posted by Xpletive

Why not? Are you saying it couldn't match a Blaze for speed or that it couldn't match its (generous) PY?


Seeing as the Laser is a primary number and the Blaze is now a seocndary number and neither have changed for year I would hardly call the Blaze handicap 'generous'. It is true the Blaze does go like the clappers as soon as it gets on the plane but is pretty sticky when sailing to waterline speed and below.

I have 'raced' Lasers in a blow on the Plane, there is just no way they could stick with me despite then try very hard (and they all had a habit of falling in where the Blaze felt like it was on rails!

The 8.1 looks good but having been a regular Laser sailor for many years I honestly don't think the rig will make that much of a difference. Also be interesting what Laser say about Rooster 'hijacking' their hull....
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