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    Posted: 22 Feb 07 at 12:41pm
Originally posted by Medway Maniac

So for our club, yes, a trapeze would be good.



Im not sure a trapeze will ever be "good" for our club MM, have you not seen us all do silly things like capsize to windward because we couldnt get OFF the trapeze quick enough!

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Originally posted by Doug.H

it seemed to indicate that a trapeze would be necessary to get the best performance in any sort of good wind.

Or just the design weight of crew instead of your weedy frame (like mine), Doug!

Originally posted by Doug.H

It has a bigger kite than the RS800 and the 59er has far less leverage. 

The other thing is that we at Wilsonian, like many UK club racers, sail a lot of kite reaches from mark to mark (nice!) whereas 'serious' sailors will be ploughing the eternal windard-leeward furrow where less righting moment is required under kite. So for our club, yes, a trapeze would be good.

But isn't the whole point about the 59'er market niche that it's a hiking boat for old fatties. If you add a wire they won't get a look in. Reminds me of the time I was accosted at the Dinghy Show by huge men on the Phantom stand, suggesting I should join their class. My response, 'sure, if you'll put a trapeze on it for me', was met with horror and signs of the cross - quite right, they'd be blown away by skinnies.

 
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When i sailed the 59er in some light conditions (in the highest gust a force 3) it seemed slow downwind, then myself and a rather large helmed then heated it up and started hiking hard and the boat suddenly too off.  If we were max hiking in a force 2-3 to get the most from the boat, it seemed to indicate that a trapeze would be necessary to get the best performance in any sort of good wind. 
It has a bigger kite than the RS800 and the 59er has far less leverage. 
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Originally posted by Strawberry

Re: 59er with trap...After they've gybed they don't go back out on the wire.

As the boat was designed without the wire doesn't is suggest good design if it gets best vmg without using it?
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Re: 59er with trap...

Woah, look at that speed! After they've gybed they don't go back out on the wire.
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just as funny

 

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Originally posted by olly_love

so is it like a yacht sheeting think it is called admirial cup style or somthing



They call it the German mainsheet system (although that's usually split to both sides)
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Originally posted by slop_idol

thought this was funny

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JATSpxlB3uE
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Originally posted by olly_love

can see that the main goes down to the floor at the stern then along. probs down some tube



They have a system that goes from the transom strop to boom end and down to a pulley on the floor at center line next to or near the rudder pintel and then along to a center main block. It was something I was thinking of doing, had a picture around somewhere of it on a AU Cherub but I can't find it.

here is the along the boom to the goose neck one:
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Heh ... That poor guy getting kneecapped by the boom!!
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