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    Posted: 17 Feb 07 at 9:55pm
Twin patch kite?
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Yup, as PB says, what I was trying to put across is that the 12 is one of the best boats I have ever sailed, but is not a one design fleet, so if you don't have other 12's to sail against, the 200 is very similar in many respects, but is also; modern, popular, easy to buy/sell (while keeping it's value), and just a very good boat, with the added value of the RS name/circuit, etc. Potentially, the 470 could get de-selected as an olympic boat, which could leave the 420 nowhere. That would kill their value, but conversley make them a good value buy. The problem then might be that they were not that good a boat in the first place...up to you
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Hannah - a few years ago I was in your position.  Mirror great in a gale, but so boring overwise.  I started in my 200 with my brother with an all up weight of about 14/15 stone - it was very interesting.  Anyway, the 200 is a lovely boat.  So responsive, all the controls in the right place and if you not to bothered about it having a twin patch kite, you can get it for less.  We sold ours for under 3k and it was in really good nick.  There is a great circuit and a good youth following.
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Thanks; I sail on the welsh harp (110 acres i think) where my club sails predominantly GP14s, but the club next door has some RS200s and merlins and things.  It's all class racing but GPs are a little big/heavy/slow for me.
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I think you'll find a 200 more rewarding and fun.  A nat12 can be awesome if it's modern and expensive but they can be very tricky to sail - especially to sail well and compete.  The youth sailing and national circuit for the 200s is massive and unbeatable for fun and partying.  A bad 12 will be dirt cheap, a good 12 will be really expensive but a 200 is a 200 and they're all really between 3500 and 5500.  The difference is, as Rob.E says, that the 200 will hold its value really well and if you want to move on to something else after a year or so you could still sell it for good money. 
Don't go for a 420, out of date, dying breed and all that!
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The 200 is a new 12, same designer as my 1970's 12 and everything! Look at the class websites, decide what sort of sailing (assy blasting,or really close tactcal stuff) and what sort of crew you have/want, and what is sailed near you, or would suit your ability to travel, and then decide what you can afford: a 200 can cost a lot more, but may cost less in terms of depreciation as it is a desirable after one design. The 420 is a great youth boat, but this is partly because it is undercanvassed, and hence not good in light winds ( i.e. typical small pond conditions). An older 12 could be superb on restricted waters, but you really need other 12's to tune against, because they are hard to get the best out of.

It isn't an easy question to answer without knowing where you sail and what you sail against; If I could give one piece of advice to aspiring sailors, it would be: sail in a one design fleet!!! You can't beat sailing against other similar boats- the Solo I sail is very simple, yet 1/4 inch on the shrouds can be the difference between competing or not, and even when you've got the boat speed right, you still have to get the start right, and then the first beat, and then all your mark roundings, and then not get stuffed by the flying fifteens ( not that this has ever been an issue for me ) and then you only win with a bit of luck if the fleet is very good enough!

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Theres a lot of young sailors for them - A lot of teams are parent / child if i remember right?

Gotta remember that reasonable rs200s are going for £4k and up ...
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Again, is there a decent race circuit? / is it sailed at all by us yoof?
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National 12. A second hand one in decent nick can be had second hand for cheap, in the older designs without the double floor.
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oh please... I meant are there many youths involved on the rs200 cicuit, for example
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