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    Posted: 04 Feb 07 at 12:47am
Ive got a P&B made to measure and i made sure i had it so when i had a full drysuit and wooly bear on it would be a nice snug fit.  Ive spent most of the time since in 1mm neoprene shorts and a few rashies and yeah there's a reasonable gap between hook and body but having a baggy harness has so far proved to be really quite comfy and hasn't detracted in any way from performance. 
Watching some skiff footage and things like higher and faster you'll see there's a fair gap between the hook and their body, so i really wouldn't worry about it. 

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i think thats partially due to stretch in materials. If you think about it, a lot of those guys wear there harnesses ALL the time and so there is bound to be some stretch in the materials and straps and taking into account the accute angles everything comes together at then it doesnt take much stretch to make it look like a big gap if you follow
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I've just got one of the P&B made to measures and it's great.  No straps to get tangled and it fits really well.  I'd always steered away from the P&B version as I really did not like the white sailcloth look (looks like a pair of pants and gets dirty quickly) but Dave has managed to source some back cloth that's up to the job and it looks the nuts.

I would personally steer away from any quick release systems at the moment though.  I've had problems with a well known manufacturer's version on a previous non-P&B harness (broken two of them, would not release) and I've also had to single wire a 12' skiff back home in a hoolie because my crew pulled his pin (another manufacturer) and absolutly could not get the thing back in for love nor money.

P&B will retro fit a quick release hook for you in time when the hook manufacturers perfect their designs and ISAF sort the rules.  In the meantime, carry a knife.

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It's all very well for people to say get a Nappy harness but you really have to try one on to know if tou're going to get on with it. Last harness i bought i tried on about 10 including 3 nappies and that was enough to know i never want to put one on again. There is another problem (aside from potential fertility problems) with nappies in that if you change shape your harness isn't going to fit and if it doesn't fit it's going to do you other mischiefs. My weight (and some dimensions) change dramatically when I don't sail for a while and I'd much rather take the (tiny) risk of an entrapment than the very likely risk of later life back problems associated with a poorly fitted harness.

My advice (especially considering the type of boat you sail) is go strappy unless a: you like to be in pain and b: you are not planning on changing shape or altering the amount of clothes you wear whilst sailing.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote timnoyce Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Feb 07 at 4:45pm
Originally posted by Matt Jackson

My advice (especially considering the type of boat you sail) is go strappy unless a: you like to be in pain and b: you are not planning on changing shape or altering the amount of clothes you wear whilst sailing.



This is a personal preference thing Matt. I have almost hospitalised myself on a couple of occasions with the magic marine leg strap harness yet find a nappy most comfortable. TRY BEFORE YOU BUY!
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Post Options Post Options   Quote MRJP BUZZ 585 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Feb 07 at 4:55pm
Originally posted by Matt Jackson

 if you change shape your harness isn't going to fit



Not with the adjustable harnesses
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Matt Jackson Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Feb 07 at 5:09pm

Originally posted by timnoyce

Originally posted by Matt Jackson

My advice (especially considering the type of boat you sail) is go strappy unless a: you like to be in pain and b: you are not planning on changing shape or altering the amount of clothes you wear whilst sailing.



This is a personal preference thing Matt. I have almost hospitalised myself on a couple of occasions with the magic marine leg strap harness yet find a nappy most comfortable. TRY BEFORE YOU BUY!

Yeah, I started out saying that and thought: hell everybody else thinks their advice is the only one worth taking so...

Originally posted by MRJP BUZZ 585

Originally posted by Matt Jackson

 if you change shape your harness isn't going to fit



Not with the adjustable harnesses

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Post Options Post Options   Quote MRJP BUZZ 585 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Feb 07 at 5:35pm
With the made to measure harnesses i can see your point, but with most nappy harnesses they are adjustable so if you change shape you can adjust the straps to suit.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Iain C Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Feb 07 at 11:22am

Matt, fair point.

However, I'd just like to point out that when I had a Contender I never ever used to get tangles with my strappy Magic Marine (we're not talking entrapment here, just taking trap rings across the boat with you etc) yet on the Cherub, much smaller boat with more wires, I do, all the time.  I still have the MM harness as a spare and it is comfy and it's usually fine on the rare occasion I'm in the front of my Fireball, it just sometimes gets tangled and can come undone.

I've had 2 nappies now, brand X was ok, but sometimes it would "all go wrong" resulting in rather undignified adjustments between races.  However the P&B is a made to measure, and the difference is very, very, noticeable.  You say you have tried on several nappies, I doubt very much that they were made to measure.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Matt Jackson Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Feb 07 at 12:41pm
Originally posted by Iain C

However, I'd just like to point out that when I had a Contender I never ever used to get tangles with my strappy Magic Marine (we're not talking entrapment here, just taking trap rings across the boat with you etc) yet on the Cherub, much smaller boat with more wires, I do, all the time. 

That's really why I was saying that strappy is OK because this thread is about the best harness for RS600s which are on the face of it very similar to Contenders.

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