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jeffers 
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 Topic: Bouyancy AidsPosted: 01 Feb 07 at 1:22pm |
TT if you want to float face up when unconcious wear a life jacket that is what they are designed to do. Bouyancy aids are design to help you float thats it! Paul |
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Posted: 01 Feb 07 at 11:45am |
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What happens when you're cat sailing and the boat goes turtle and your underneath? Your bouyancy aid lifts you into that flat trampoline and can potentially trap you there.......Thanks bouyancy, good job.
Whether the bouyancy is placed relative to your front back or side, it can still cause issues as well as solve them so we may aswell try to make them as comfortable and least restrictive as possible. To me, a harness integrated bouyancy aid sounds to me like an ideal prospect and getting knocked out is just another issue that we contend with when we choose to sail or not. Lets just hope mr health and safety doesnt come along and ruin our sport. If the H&S department get a look in, we'll all be wearing full bouyancy suits, looking like a bright orange michelin man Doug |
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49erGBR735HSC
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Posted: 01 Feb 07 at 10:32am |
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My magic marine harness provides me with enough bouyancy, and I would happily sail with only the harness on as it allows me to swim quicker and less restrictive to my movement. However, I can't be bothered with the hassle of explaining this fact to most sailing clubs, being in chance of breaking the rules and the responsibility of a very young sailor seeing me not wearing a bouyancy aid, thinking its alright not to do so and copying me and not having any bouyancy as they are not wearing a harness. I see my bouyancy aid as a necesary evil and whenever judging a situation, I always judge it from the worst case scenario and in that instance, a bouyancy aid gives me slightly more confidence. My aid has draw chords at the bottom which loop and are tied through my trapeze spreader bar as it prevents the aid from riding up. Would be quite easy to retro-fit an aid without the draw chords, like some of the new high cut aids to achieve the same purpose.
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Offshoretiger
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Posted: 31 Jan 07 at 11:55pm |
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Not without knowing whats in the panel, no
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redback
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Posted: 31 Jan 07 at 11:35pm |
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If you look at the Higher & Faster video you'll see Peter Greenhuagh wears a trapeze harness with a panel in the back that is about 1cm thick and 1/3m by 2/3m in area. I like the look of that since a) the panel extends down below his waist and b) it can't ride up. I'd say that is a very effective bouancy aid and virtually snag free. Can somebody work out the number of Newtons?
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Offshoretiger
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Posted: 31 Jan 07 at 10:56pm |
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Many SIs state specifically that a wetsuit is not considered as part of your personal bouyancy. What you are required to wear when racing will depend on class or event rules. Last summer at the FD europeans there was a big fuss over bouyancy aids as class regulations state what must be carried and the rule had been updated. One of the problems that was that some of the 'small' bouyancy aids arent 50N, they are 45. One of the things that bugs me about the current designs is that when they have a pocket to keep those handy things in when your on the water (knife, tape, spare shackle etc) its always on the front. And it catches if you have to get on the board. Mind you Im not sure where else youd put a pocket. |
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Merlinboy
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Posted: 31 Jan 07 at 10:36pm |
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Just dont wear one, its simple, when you fall in take a deep breath and fill your cheeks with air
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Ian99
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Posted: 31 Jan 07 at 8:25pm |
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Just because we expect a buoyancy aid to look a certain way doesn't mean they have to be like that to meet the EuroNorm.
Not really suitable for dinghy sailing, but this is a perfectly legitimate 50N buoyancy aid. I'm sure they also made a fleece one a few years ago. It would certainly get the jobsworths from the water board who hang around sailing clubs finding reasons to close them down rather excited! On similar lines, I wonder if anyone has ever attempted to get a wetsuit classified as a buoyancy aid - they probably almost provide enough! Incidentally, I don't think there is anything in the rules (unless things have changed recently) that require you to wear an EN393 buoyancy aid when racing, merely "adequate personal buoyancy". Apart from anything else, you won't get the Americans and the Aussies to comply with European Standards! |
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Posted: 31 Jan 07 at 8:22pm |
But we not 80kgs of lead are we - we pretty much float so 50N will make us float no problem ... |
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Posted: 31 Jan 07 at 8:02pm |
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Zhik do a slim one similar to that
their description; "Slick PFD made for racing fast. No extra unnecessary straps and buckles. Once you have this PFD set to the correct comfort tension you have just the one buckle plus zip side entry. Set and forget. Back of PFD doesn't ride up and get caught on the boom as you duck under. No more capsizing between tacks because you got caught on something. Comes in cool grey or black to match the Zhik styling. Approved to European CE standard EN 393 50 N so it can be raced everywhere." |
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