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    Posted: 28 Jan 07 at 7:14pm
Originally posted by JimC

Originally posted by fizzicist

Go and have a look at what won the speed freaks competition this year and look at the speed


I'm a big 300 fan and find that speed quite preposterous. There's no way I'd believe that speed without a full GPS trace to convince me. Recorded as a max its just got to be a glitch.

I totally agree, a contender does between 6 & 8 knots upwind, I can't see a 300 coming past a contender upwind, also, I think a 49er/14 would struggle to hit 23/24 knots.
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Originally posted by fizzicist

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Go and have a look at what won the speed freaks competition this year and look at the speed

The 300 is not slow by any stretch of the imagination. I'd say any 14 foot sitting out dinghy that can plane upwind at 8-10 knots is worth a look. On a small shifty water it's probably as quick as you feasably can go.

 
Sure, they can be quick but having worked on embedded GPS devices for the several years, I can attest that my laptop should have nine points on it's license despite residing quietly in a remote field. This speed is pure fiction (probably a spike)
Only post processing (and lots of it) will give you the true picture.
Garmin have created a marketing gem with this.
Having said that, you are probably right about the 300's suitability for my water but trapezing is so much more appealing than hiking, despite the increase in reaction speed required to maintain decorum.
  
 
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Originally posted by JimC

Originally posted by fizzicist

Go and have a look at what won the speed freaks competition this year and look at the speed


I'm a big 300 fan and find that speed quite preposterous. There's no way I'd believe that speed without a full GPS trace to convince me. Recorded as a max its just got to be a glitch.


I agree, at both the eurocup and the nationals I overtook 300's with relative ease on all legs in my 600 and the best i could manage was 20.8 knots.  From doing a lot of speed runs in my 600 i reckon a heavy person could maybe push 23 knots from it (any more i wouldnt believe to be anything other than a glitch) so for a 300 to get 24.7............im not even slightly convinced. 

sorry fizzicist. 

Doug
p.s though of course i've only come to this conclusion from what i see, not from any substantial evidence.
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I'll post my scepticism at the high speed recorded by a 300 as well.  I sailed one in some breeze a few times, at high speed it prefered nose diving to anything else.  Fully maxed out hiking off the back, even in flat water it pushed the bow down.  Nice boat, but not capable of that pace. 
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Have got to add my scepticism to that speed too- I've had 22 knots out of my 600 on peak speed on a Garmin, but having since sailed and checked the track logs i really don't trust it!!
The conditions at the nationals in Looe when this was recorded were pretty special- big long waves to surf and some monsterouse breeze, but still can't help feeling going that fast in a 300 would result in a mild case of death.....
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I used to own an RS 300 and I'm over 13 stone in the kit. They cannot plane upwind in the proper meaning of the term. They can maybe go at 8 to 10 mph "upwind" at 80 degrees offwind; so can a Laser. But that's no good for Vmg.

I now sail an RS 600 and upwind while actually "beating" in the RS 600 I can easily make 7 to 8 mph on the tack while making nearly 5 mph Vmg. In the RS 300 the best I could make was 6 mph on a tack and V mg was under 4 mph. The best Vmg I could make in the RS 300 was about 4.2 mph and that was by pinching!

Sailing the RS6 the "max" speed on the GPS unit I have recorded on a broad reach in about F5/6 was 23.5 mph, and I believe that was a spike, although I have measured 21 mph "max" a few times. In my view all the "max" readings are spikes.



   

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Originally posted by combat wombat

I'll post my scepticism at the high speed
recorded by a 300 as
well.  I sailed one in some breeze a few times, at high speed it
prefered nose diving to anything else.  Fully maxed out hiking off
the back, even in flat water it pushed the bow down.  Nice boat,
but not capable of that pace. 


After seeing it i did belive it i was watching from the shore after coming in
early i know i am a pansy but het he is lardyer then me. It looked very fast
and very scary well done Geg
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300 gets 24.7 knots you say??

http://www.int-moth.org.uk/VavavoomSP.htm  (every foiler below the top 2)

http://www.mustoskiff.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=545  (sten's comment)

I'l be expecting 300's to be getting top results at all the big handicap competitions this year then. 
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Anyway I am now decided.  I want a 600. If anyone has a yellow one for sale then please pm me with the details.
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Just dont be over the start line if you get a yellow one
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