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    Posted: 17 Jan 07 at 3:17pm

i agree with the larger kite and smaller headsail for irc racing. this is our plan if we get the money to do it!

if this change was not made, ie keep the same sails then i believe added weight is the answer. this is because the amount of speed lost downwind would be very small considering the boat only planes downwind in upwards of force 3-4. windward performance would be improved, more so in waves with the added hull weight.

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I've been digging through my old certificates. Initially standard hull data was
used (1300kg) but it was weighed in 2002 and the empty weight was
1240kg. The boat had 68kg added to the keel and now weighs 1308.

This is my first owned boat so I'm not great with certificates yet. What does
IRC Disp mean? Mine is 1780
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irc displacment is based on the number of crew and equipment required on board.

i think most the boats have this 'larger keel'. there is definately a difference with them.

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hi,
    irc optomisation is very much a black art. as a live rule the rating equation changes every year to endevour a fair rating for all boats. i have recently purchased pumper nickel and will be racing under irc. i suggest that we create a class association and protest the rating of all projection 762's. this has to be supported with results which show why the rating may be unfair. there is no doubt in my mind that this could only benefit our class, while undoubtedly being the cheapest and most real form of 'optimisation'.

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I have read the assorted views regarding ratings and optimisation versus speed. Having won Sail East Class 2, Ramsgate Week and various other Regattas in a 762 I do no believe that the rating is at all uncompetetive.

With any 'sport boat' you will blitz any conventional displacement boat in a breeze, the moment that you start to plane or surf you will be sailing way above the rating. In a breeze the 762 comes alive upwind as well as down - we used to pass Sigma 38's upwind in a breeze - higher and faster.

In the light stuff it is a bit more tricky but given that the 762 is more manoevereable and can tack and accelerate quicker, you can sail to the rating if you sail well and don't make any howlers.

The hardest conditions are the medium breezes - 8 to 15 knots when you have the waterline of a 25' displacement yacht and a rating of a 30-40' yacht.

It is therefore quite simple that to maximise the boats best conditions in light and heavy, weight needs to come out and sail area needs to go on. Forget the rating completely. Re weigh without the cushions, floorboards, steps, battery etc etc. Full size main, 150% genoa, and largeish (but still efficient) spinnakers. The boat will be quicker in the light, surf and plane earlier/faster in the breezy stuff (A masthead kite will pull the rig out). Assymetric should be the size of the runner and will be good in all conditions. Sail 5 up.

You will still have trouble in the medium breezes but the difficult wind range will be smaller.

The rating office is wise to artificially altering the LWP and overhangs - they will take the figures, increase the hull factor and the rating will stay the same (i've tried it).

That is my theory anyway.

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So ,  are you offring to set up the class assoc ? That would be nice .

Re optimisation ... I know what you all are getting at, but to me ,putting extra weight onto the boat or using smaller sails may make sailing the boat less exciting at times ...  and I sail for exciting sailing !    I also want to win , its a difficult trade I suppose .

 Would a class protest hold up ? I'm new to this and don't know how 762's have been doing over the last couple of seasons .. not too badly at times I hear ? even if the results show boats in the higher end of the results would  that not make a protest difficult ? Does who or how the boats are sailed come into it ?

I'm using a 45m kite which seems ok , some of the first boats had 50m kites , some say these were too big ? or was it the cut ? I'm still learning but I'm expecting the 45 to perform pretty well over a season ...

The price of carbon masts seems to be slowly dropping ... ? any thoughts anyone ? how would this effect the numbers ? It would make trailing the boat around easier .

Does anyone have any tricks for putting up mast manually  ?,  I've only used the crane to date .

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Post Options Post Options   Quote DOUGk911 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Jan 07 at 4:32pm

Nigel ,

Those sound like good words to me ! Thanks for passing them on ,

I'm cosidering trying sailing 6 up at times , I have some pretty lightweight  young ladies as crew and I suspect she will sail better up wind with as much weight on the rail as poss ?

A 45m assy kite then?  what length of pole , am presently using 3.2m ,

Thanks ,

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Ive just placed some events that should see some 762's attend on the Y&Y calendar.  So far they are all East coast, please PM me with any other dates or corrections to the data i have loaded.  All this data will help if you use the Y&Y Campaign Manager and is also useful for quick links to find out info.

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Six up ok when it's windy - All those young ladies - how do you concentrate!!!

Our spin area was 41.5 on a 3.08 pole - I guess that somewhere between 40 and 45 for the assy will be fine. The assy is more efficient size for size up to 160 degrees apparrent according testing by Quantum in USA which may partly explain why AC boats sail windward leeward courses with Assymetric kites. We often used to use it with the pole squared back altrhough it was heavier cloth than the runner.

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I am taking on the role of onlooker in the current IRC debate... I am a total novice.

However I thought I would post this photo of my boat being sailed by its former owner. I have permission from both him and the photographer to use it on the class webpage. I was on the committee boat that day, the wind was gusting to 35knts and the subject of the photo hit 19knts downwind, and is probably the reason I bought the boat... If everyone is happy with it to represent the class I will forward it.

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