Rudder stock investigation

   Hi!

I am doing some market research on dingy and catamaran rudderstocks as part of a university paper. Any feedback on this would be a great help for me. It will only take a few minutes to answer the questions below. Your participation may even result in some better rudder products in the future. Thanks a lot!

What do you want out of a rudder stock?
Mark with 1-5 where "5" is "very important" and "1" is "not at all important". Also state what diciplin you are in Dingy racing - Dinghy recreational - Catamaran racing - Catamaran recreational.

Ok, here we go:

Low weight?
Low price?
Easy maintainence?
Direct feeling? (= no play between tiller and stock nor between stock and blade)
Uphaul function?
Downhaul function?
Lock-down function?
Auto-release function? (when hitting ground)
Attractive looks?

I consider myself as representing
Dingy racing?
Dinghy recreational sailing?
Catamaran racing?
Catamaran recreational?

Any further comments?

Thanks a lot for your time!!
Rick Andersen
rudderstock@hotmail.com
Halmstad University College

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RickAndersen Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Newbie Joined: 10 Jan 07 Online Status: Offline Posts: 3	Post Options Post Reply Quote RickAndersen Report Post Quote Reply Topic: Rudder stock investigation Posted: 10 Jan 07 at 2:37pm
	Hi! I am doing some market research on dingy and catamaran rudderstocks as part of a university paper. Any feedback on this would be a great help for me. It will only take a few minutes to answer the questions below. Your participation may even result in some better rudder products in the future. Thanks a lot! What do you want out of a rudder stock? Mark with 1-5 where "5" is "very important" and "1" is "not at all important". Also state what diciplin you are in Dingy racing - Dinghy recreational - Catamaran racing - Catamaran recreational. Ok, here we go: Low weight? Low price? Easy maintainence? Direct feeling? (= no play between tiller and stock nor between stock and blade) Uphaul function? Downhaul function? Lock-down function? Auto-release function? (when hitting ground) Attractive looks? I consider myself as representing Dingy racing? Dinghy recreational sailing? Catamaran racing? Catamaran recreational? Any further comments? Thanks a lot for your time!! Rick Andersen rudderstock@hotmail.com Halmstad University College
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vscott Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Posting king Joined: 11 Apr 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 181	Post Options Post Reply Quote vscott Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 10 Jan 07 at 3:25pm
	Low weight? 5 Low price? 3 Easy maintainence? 4 Direct feeling? 5 (= no play between tiller and stock nor between stock and blade) Uphaul function? 3 Downhaul function? 4 Lock-down function? 5 Auto-release function? 3 (when hitting ground) Attractive looks? 3 I consider myself as representing Dingy racing? 5 Dinghy recreational sailing? 1 Catamaran racing? Catamaran recreational? Any further comments? Durability 5 - most of our rear end problems have come from the stock rather than the blade or tiller. Often cracking appearing, or a weakness developing.
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Medway Maniac Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Really should get out more Joined: 13 May 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2788	Post Options Post Reply Quote Medway Maniac Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 10 Jan 07 at 3:49pm
	My reqs fairly similar: Low weight? 5 Low price? 3 Easy maintainence? 4 Direct feeling? 5 (= no play between tiller and stock nor between stock and blade) Uphaul function? 2 Downhaul function? 5 Lock-down function? 1 Auto-release function? 4 (when hitting ground) Attractive looks? 1 I consider myself as representing Dingy racing? 5 Dinghy recreational sailing? 1 Catamaran racing? Catamaran recreational? Any further comments? The Winder stock on my Fireball was superb, but did need a an auto-release cleat to stop the downhaul rope pulling out of the blade during the inevitable hard grounding (river sailing). The carbon version would, I suppose, have been even lighter...mmmm! As to looks, if things function well we generally end up thinking that's how things should look, (e.g. plumb bows). Not sure about uphauls. I've wanted one for weed clearance, for sure, but suspect that if the blade-stock fit is sufficiently tight for direct feel, then the uphaul wouldn't overcome it, i.e. work, anyway.

mike ellis Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Really should get out more Joined: 30 Dec 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2339	Post Options Post Reply Quote mike ellis Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 10 Jan 07 at 3:59pm
	Low weight? 3 Low price? 3 Easy maintainence? 5 Direct feeling? (= no play between tiller and stock nor between stock and blade) 5 Uphaul function? 2 Downhaul function? 5 Lock-down function? 3 Auto-release function? (when hitting ground) 3 Attractive looks? 1 I consider myself as representing Dingy racing? 4 Dinghy recreational sailing? 1 Catamaran racing? Catamaran recreational? Any further comments? must be easy to get the stock off the pintles with gloves on and cold hands.
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Guests Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Guest Group	Post Options Post Reply Quote Guests Quote Reply Posted: 10 Jan 07 at 4:19pm
	Low weight? 5 Low price? 3 Easy maintainence? 5 Direct feeling? (= no play between tiller and stock nor between stock and blade) 5!!! Uphaul function? 1 Downhaul function? 4 Lock-down function? 3 Auto-release function? (when hitting ground) 4 if a centreboard boat, 1 in a daggerboard boat. Attractive looks? 1 I consider myself as representing Dingy racing? 5 Dinghy recreational sailing? Catamaran racing? Catamaran recreational? Any further comments? If it only needs to be a small blade for a small boat then I'd prefer to have a fixed rudder so that there's absolutely no chance of any play/wobble, though I understand this isn't practical with larger blades. Doug

MRJP BUZZ 585 Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Really should get out more Joined: 05 Mar 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1496	Post Options Post Reply Quote MRJP BUZZ 585 Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 10 Jan 07 at 4:40pm
	Low weight? 5 Low price? 4 Easy maintainence? 5 Direct feeling? (= no play between tiller and stock nor between stock and blade) 5 Uphaul function? 3 Downhaul function? 3 Lock-down function? 4 Auto-release function? (when hitting ground) 4 Attractive looks? 4 I consider myself as representing Dingy racing? FURTHER COMMENTS - I feel the same as mike, needs to be easy to get off with gloved/cold hands
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Medway Maniac Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Really should get out more Joined: 13 May 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2788	Post Options Post Reply Quote Medway Maniac Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 10 Jan 07 at 4:49pm
	I wonder if we all understand the same thing by 'lock-down function'? I take it to mean e.g. one of those cam-follower things that never seem to work, for me at least. A good downhaul with 2:1 normally seems to do the job, especially if the blade wedges itself tight in the last few degrees of going down as on the Winder - blade down and tight feel all in one action. On my current Sea Sure, I end up pulling on the 2:1 and then tightening the wing nut as well to get direct feel, but I do find that nut a pain, esp. as I have to undo it again as I come in.

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	Low weight5 Low price5 Easy maintainence2 Direct feeling4 (= no play between tiller and stock nor between stock and blade) Uphaul function1 Downhaul function3 Lock-down function3 Auto-release function1 (when hitting ground) Attractive looks2 I consider myself as representing Dingy racing Dinghy recreational sailing

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	Low weight? 5 Low price? 5 Easy maintainence? 5 Direct feeling? 5(= no play between tiller and stock nor between stock and blade) Uphaul function? 3 Downhaul function? 3 Lock-down function? 5 Auto-release function? (when hitting ground) 5 Attractive looks?1 I consider myself as representing Dingy racing Dinghy recreational sailing
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	Low weight? 5 Low price? 5 Easy maintainence? 3 Direct feeling? (= no play between tiller and stock nor between stock and blade) 3 Uphaul function? 4 Downhaul function? 4 Lock-down function? 5 Auto-release function? (when hitting ground) 4 Attractive looks? 3 I consider myself as representing Dingy racing? 3 Dinghy recreational sailing? Catamaran racing? Catamaran recreational? Any further comments? I would want to be able to tie it onto my boat somewhere, leaving it on until I am ready to remove it.