New Posts New Posts RSS Feed: What Asymettric?
  FAQ FAQ  Forum Search   Register Register  Login Login

What Asymettric?

 Post Reply Post Reply Page  <1234>
Author
English Dave View Drop Down
Really should get out more
Really should get out more
Avatar

Joined: 10 Aug 06
Location: Northern Ireland
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 682
Post Options Post Options   Quote English Dave Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Topic: What Asymettric?
    Posted: 03 Jan 07 at 1:52pm

Although I don't totally disagree with redback's fairly pompous comments, it's worth remembering that the difficult part in sailing a 600/700/MPS is keeping the damn thing upright. All experience of windshifts will be immaterial until then. And keeping them upright is largely a question of power management and balance. I can't see how sailing for any length of time in a Mirror would help in this regard.

The learning curve is steep to be sure, but if daveb has the commitment and fitness (cos you use lots of energy righting boats) then why not give a high performance boat a go? I'm assuming that his big boat skills mean that he can do a triangular course well enough and knows a bit about sail trim.

I used to windsurf for years. Got clocked at over 30kts and could do a few jumps. Couldn't carve-gybe to save my life! Didn't let it put me off - I just fell in, swam the rig round and started off again in the opposite direction. Come to think of it, I couldn't go upwind either so every so often I would walk the board 100m back up the beach. My point is that you don't have to be totally proficient to get a huge kick from high-performance sailing.

I know I am Cat biased but could I suggest a Dart/Sprint 15 or a Dart 16. Cheap with trapeze and lots of space for light weight crew. Dart16 even has spinnaker option. Both are quicker than Vortex, Vareo and even (apparently) an RS600. Dart16 is low-maint tupperware and Sprint15 has good race circuit.

English Dave
Ballyholme Yacht Club

(You'd think I'd be better at it by now)

Hurricane 5.9 SX
RS700
Back to Top
NickA View Drop Down
Really should get out more
Really should get out more
Avatar

Joined: 30 Mar 05
Location: United Kingdom
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 784
Post Options Post Options   Quote NickA Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Jan 07 at 4:48pm

Well said Dave,

....but cats are cheating. 

Like going fast in a car instead of on a bike

 

 

Javelin 558
Contender 2574
Back to Top
English Dave View Drop Down
Really should get out more
Really should get out more
Avatar

Joined: 10 Aug 06
Location: Northern Ireland
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 682
Post Options Post Options   Quote English Dave Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Jan 07 at 8:01pm
Nothing wrong with cheating. It's getting caught that's illegal!
English Dave
Ballyholme Yacht Club

(You'd think I'd be better at it by now)

Hurricane 5.9 SX
RS700
Back to Top
Iain C View Drop Down
Really should get out more
Really should get out more
Avatar

Joined: 16 Mar 04
Location: United Kingdom
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 1113
Post Options Post Options   Quote Iain C Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Jan 07 at 8:16pm

Dave

I would thouroughly recommend the Contender.  I learnt to drive from the wire in one, and it's a nice stable platform to learn in.   I consider myself reasonably handy yet when I sailed a 600 recently it certainly kept me on my toes and i did swim a couple of times.

If you are learning you WILL end up capsizing and dragging your hook across the deck and an older Rondar Contender will put up with that just fine.  And if you are 10st in medium breeze on anything apart from a dead run the Contender will feel powerful and exciting.  In fact the only real drawback is the space to get under the boom whilst tacking, however again if you are 10st you will probably find this much easier than me (13.5st).

Good circuit, lovely looking boat, good sails/rigs from Wavelength, older boats still competitive, dacron sails rather than mylar (although you can have mylar if you really want) mean it will put up with you falling on the main, you can't lose really.  One thing, get a space near the water as they are heavy for a singlehander.

Good luck!!!

RS700 GBR922 "Wirespeed"
Fireball GBR14474 "Eleven Parsecs"
Enterprise GBR21970
Bavaria 32 GBR4755L "Adastra"
Back to Top
BBSCFaithfull View Drop Down
Really should get out more
Really should get out more
Avatar

Joined: 06 Dec 05
Location: United Kingdom
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 1251
Post Options Post Options   Quote BBSCFaithfull Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Jan 07 at 8:23pm
Dave,
Trial and error is the name of the game! The 600 has a powerfull rig and is quite a difficult boat to sail well. But they are cheap so a lot of fun for your money! All i can say is you should just try all the boats you are thinking about!
Have fun!,
Aelx
Greatfully Sponsored By
www.allgoodfun.com
Int 14 GBR 1503!!
Back to Top
Hector View Drop Down
Really should get out more
Really should get out more
Avatar

Joined: 10 May 04
Location: Otley, Yorkshire
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 750
Post Options Post Options   Quote Hector Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 Jan 07 at 1:33am
QUOTE=NickA]

An asymetric Vortex sounds like a good idea. 

Anyone tried double handing one? 

How much does the add-on asymetric kit cost these days?  And where do you get spares (sails etc) now laser have stopped making them?

[/QUOTE]

The asymmetric kit costs around £1000 from the class association or get a secondhand one (although the asymmetric versions sell quite fast. Laser have committed to continue to stock spares for the standard boat. In time, it may well be that one of the potential new builders the class association are talking to will take over spares etc.

There's plenty of room so you can sail two up but there's not much point for an adult as there's not much for the crew to do. If you want to sail two up regularly, get a doublehander. On the other hand, I have sailed with one daughter trapezing for first time including 'Hanging five' over the bow - that got her hooked (bad pun) into trapeze sailing and she now crews a 29er. Also once with up to 5 kids aboard so that was fun for different reasons.

The Vortex is vastly underated by many (especially on this forum) and given your criteria, and the potential to develop your skills deserves consideration. but as always, its best to have a trial sail - where are you based NickA?



Edited by Hector
Back to Top
radixon View Drop Down
Really should get out more
Really should get out more
Avatar

Joined: 27 Oct 06
Location: United Kingdom
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 2407
Post Options Post Options   Quote radixon Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 Jan 07 at 10:32am
Before parting with any money, its best to take a look at the boats you are considering in question. Not sure if it has been mentioned but why not take a look at them at the London Boat Show. There you can talk to the manufacturers and ask the questions you want.

If you are still undecided after then, then you can visit the Dinghy Show where the Class Association's may be to ask.

After all, as it is going to be you that is sailing it, you want to make sure the boat you buy is the boat you are going to want to sail.
Back to Top
Garry View Drop Down
Really should get out more
Really should get out more
Avatar

Joined: 18 Apr 04
Location: United Kingdom
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 536
Post Options Post Options   Quote Garry Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Jan 07 at 5:50pm
Originally posted by radixon

Before parting with any money, its best to take a look at the boats you are considering in question. Not sure if it has been mentioned but why not take a look at them at the London Boat Show.


Unlikely to be many classes represented at the London Boat Show - Dinghy Show is far better
Garry

Lark 2252, Contender 298

www.cuckoos.eclipse.co.uk
Back to Top
Guests View Drop Down
Guest Group
Guest Group
Post Options Post Options   Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Jan 07 at 7:12pm
Yeah i would say make the dinghy show the primary place to have a look around at classes!
The London boat show will have very little in comparison. 
Back to Top
combat wombat View Drop Down
Far too distracted from work
Far too distracted from work
Avatar

Joined: 16 Jan 06
Location: United Kingdom
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 345
Post Options Post Options   Quote combat wombat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Jan 07 at 8:47pm
The B14's will be at the London Boat Show... although I wouldn't recommend singlehanding one!  Don't forget the docks race on the 14th at the Boat Show, many classes being represented there.  Watch the B14's win :)

My vote is for the Contender.  You can pick them up for obscenely cheap prices and they last - very good platform to trapeze off and awesomely quick upwind (ie pace a 29er!).  Buy a cheap one to start with, sail it then get an RS600 or 700 when you're feeling confident.  Or, buy the most beautiful boat ever built - a Bonezzi Contender. 
B14 GBR 772
Back to Top
 Post Reply Post Reply Page  <1234>

Forum Jump Forum Permissions View Drop Down

Bulletin Board Software by Web Wiz Forums® version 9.665y
Copyright ©2001-2010 Web Wiz
Change your personal settings, or read our privacy policy