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    Posted: 25 Nov 06 at 7:31pm
The hull shape is important but will not make as big a difference as rig set up and especially keeping it up right.

There was a big change in the hull rules in 1997 and the boats built after that are much narrower than those before.
The pre 97 rules boats are more forgiving to sail but slightly slower.


There are two post 97 hull shapes that have had more than one hull built the Slug and the Patterson 7.

The Patterson 7 is probably the tippier of the two and was optimised more for lighter winds it was a very sucsesfull design.

The Slug is considered a slightly more forgiving hull shape and was generally faster in the windy weather but that could partly have been the sailors and the rig set up on those boats.

The main things to look out for when buying a cherub are weight and rig as both of these are tricky/expensive to change.

If it doesn't break it's too heavy; if it does it wasn't built right
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Hi Running Free - I just PM'd you - hope you got it!

Yes, £4500 will certainly buy you Aqua. Details in the email.

If anyone else is interested, drop me a line.

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Originally posted by runningfree

All sorts really stability etc, which design do you guys like??? Would i be able to get a decent one with £4500 MAX??

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Might be able to get Aquamarina for that price. Have a look on the cherub website www.uk-cherub.org .
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Originally posted by Granite

I understand that Slippery when wet is more complete than it looks in the pictures.

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All sorts really stability etc, which design do you guys like??? Would i be able to get a decent one with £4500 MAX??

Thanks again
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With Cherubs at the moment it is more about what you can get hold of as there are not that many secondhand boats about at the moment.

A new boat will set you back around £6,000 to £9,000 depending on the finish and materials used.

There is nothing to stop you from putting a 97 rules size rig on a new boat and racing it like that as the rules only give a max sail area and not a minimum. You would go slower especialy in the light but staying upright when it is windy could mean you go faster over all.

There are two relitivly modern boats on the secondhand list at the moment http://www.sailingsource.com/cherub/test/doku.php/secondhand and both of them could be sailed as 97 or 2005.

Both are good boats(I built one so am  biassed) but both probably need a bit of work to get the best out of them. I understand that Slippery when wet is more complete than it looks in the pictures.

What sort of things do you want to know about the different designs?
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Hi ive done some looking on the class site etc and i have come to the conclusion that i'd like a '97 rules boat but i dont have a clue which design!

Does anyone know any good designs? Also can the old designs still be made? If so what prices??

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If you're in the vicinity of Weston on December 2nd or 3rd there should be a few cherubs about if you want to come and have a look and a chat. 
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running free where abouts are you we could probably arange a test sail if you like

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Well, im 15 and owned a Cherub last year. Its gone to France now im afraid, but in answers to your questions it was :

Stable = Fairly ... although it was a old design

Fairly easy to right ... had righting lines aswell.

We were under 20 stone ... but had a 1991 rigged boat ... you may struggle with 2005 but cherubs are designed for lightweights.

15 years olds.... absolutely loved ours ... extremely quick, mainly downwind and in a good breeze.

Single Trap - Yeah, ours was single trapeze and they are out there, there is one for £650 at the moment which would behave similarly to ours. However the bigger rigged ones 97/2005 need more weight to keep upright fif you only want one wire ... twin wire is better for 97/2005 rules.

check out the second hand section on www.uk-cherub.org

 
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