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Scorpian vs Lark |
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foaminatthedeck ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 18 May 06 Online Status: Offline Posts: 318 |
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Looking for a boat to get the girl friend into sailing ( she not keen on the National12 ), we weight about 21st and I thought that a lark or a scorpian might for fill our requirements, we have a max bugget of about 1,500. but would like to spend less and buy new sails. Some sort of spinaker is a must, non trapez, at least for the crew Any thought on those two, or suggestion of other boats. |
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Lark 2170
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timnoyce ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 05 Aug 04 Location: Hampshire Online Status: Offline Posts: 1991 |
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I have only ever sailed a lark once and it was a uni team racing boat so not a fine specimen so this might not be a great comparison!
I crewed at the scorpion nationals this summer and had a thoroughly enjoyable time. The boat is very nice to sail and when the breeze is up it was a real hoot to sail. We were one of the heavier teams at about 25-26st but in all wind conditions it is possible to de-power loads with the fully raking rig so nobody was ever completely over powered. The racing is amazing, gate starts with 60+ boats in a fleet was a new experience for me but they were always fiercely contested throughout the fleet. (from pensioners to young wipper snappers!) Not only that but the boats are beautiful on and off the water, wouldn't look out of place in a sitting room! The kite is a normal symmetric one so a bit of a challenge to get used to (but the move to the cherub will make it seem easy in the long run! ![]() |
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Why dosn't she like the 12? Rick |
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ifoxwell ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 05 Jan 06 Location: Hoo Online Status: Offline Posts: 669 |
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You wont go wrong with either. They are both great boats and if my crew could get on with a conventional spinni I’d probably be sailing either one of them again now. Having owned both over the last couple of years I’d say that the Scorp has an arguably slightly more powerful rig (or perhaps it’s just that it has less righting moment being narrower) but is easier to de-power with its more sophisticated rig and stiffer hull. The Scorpion hull is also a little more refined in the water but it is more cramped for the crew. But I am splitting hairs. There both good boats and basically the same speed the apparent speed difference in the PY numbers is I reckon is all down to the centreboards. The Lark just has a flat metal plate rather than a proper profiled board like the Scorp. The real question you should ask is what’s being sailed closest to you, how much do you want to spend, and do you want GRP or wood boat. If you have loads of time and money Id buy a modern, wooden Scorp, they are so rewarding to sail and own… real piece of furniture if you’ve not seen one up close. However if you want a cheap and rewarding GRP boat then I’d get a good Lark. £1500 would get you a boat that could still win the Nats in the right hands! For the record my Farther and I were 21st all up in the Scorp and Hannah and I were about 19st when we had the Lark but you could handle either boat in any wind as long as you don’t mind working hard. Ian |
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foaminatthedeck ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 18 May 06 Online Status: Offline Posts: 318 |
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To bring my boat down to weight I removed the thwort, this makes it quite an uncomftable boat to crew, she find it a bit dull down wind. |
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redback ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 16 Mar 04 Location: Tunbridge Wells Online Status: Offline Posts: 1502 |
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Just athought. The thwart is to stiffen the centre board case and hull and may be too far back to sit on and keep the boat in the correct fore and aft trim. Many boats of this type are best sailed with the crew facing aft when they are inboard and its generally the best way to go when tacking. So the thwart is an irrelevance when your are considering comfort. I've sailed both classes. The Scorp is a thing of joy but if you are on a budget I'd go for an old Rondar Lark. Tough, low budget racing of a thoroughbred. In fact thinking about it, how do Topper manage to sell boats like the Omega when there are such good classes as the Lark? |
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redback ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 16 Mar 04 Location: Tunbridge Wells Online Status: Offline Posts: 1502 |
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tgruitt ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 02 Dec 04 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2479 |
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urm, have they reefed that lark????
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Needs to sail more...
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Garry ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 18 Apr 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 536 |
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You won't get a Rondar Lark for your budget but you should manage a decent Parker Mk2. Having sailed both I think the Lark is slightly easier to race as it has less to tweak. have a look at the class website www.larkclass.org If you want a trial sail post your location on the Lark forum.
Edit - yes it is reefed (look at teh position of the bottom batten). Edited by Garry |
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Garry
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andy_cherub ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 16 Mar 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 768 |
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How about my scorp - Nix has just asked if she can race the 12ft skiff with me in the summer, so I spose I can let the scorp go. No idea what shes worth - Built as a cherub trainer! Using a cherub kite! Stiff enough with single or twin wireing in mind and a bigger rig - but still underweight for a scorp! hehe!! Oh - with lead and a usual boring kite she can be used as a normal scorpion! Bah - boring I say!! |
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