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blaze720 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 28 Sep 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1635 |
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They are right - if you sit in the wrong position you will be dog slow in light stuff. Nothing unique there but the Blaze hull has very little rocker indeed for speed in a breeze and if you don't adjust your position accordingly it really will treat you with total indifference in a light winds. The Blaze is easy to sail in a basic way - sure .... but if you want to go race fast then perhaps take the speed hints from the boat. 'Uber Slow' is one of them as it tells you very quickly what does not work ! BTW - Weight is far less important than where you put it - get the back end just breaking out of the water .... or only sail when it blows.
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ifoxwell ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 05 Jan 06 Location: Hoo Online Status: Offline Posts: 669 |
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I didnt sail the BBSC open but I was there on the day... Id be supprised if you would have enjoyed anything on a day like that... A Blaze doesnt really show you its strengths until you are out on the racks... Borrow one the next time its to much for your 49er then you'll realise why the fleet has such a strong following Ian |
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jeffers ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 29 Mar 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 3048 |
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Comes down to technique in the light stuff. Get it right and you are fast, you need to get it's bum out the water! I tend to sit right near the mast and tack and gybe going through the gap between the main and the kicker.
How much do you weigh out of interest? Paul |
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BBSCFaithfull ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 06 Dec 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1251 |
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If you want to play any main from the trpaez properly you ideally need off the boom sheeting. I went from center to off the boom in my 14 and it made the boat so much more fluent etc much faster aswell. just my 2p. Anyway the blaze, when i sailed one at the bbsc open i didnt really like it. I found it uberly slow in the light stuff (probably too heavy for it but hey) I just didnt like it sorry ![]() |
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blaze720 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 28 Sep 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1635 |
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Just a note to say that the spell checker at Y&Y got our name wrong in the racing classes review. The new Blaze builder is CIRRUS not 'Citrus' - suppose we will survive ......
CIRRUS are now producing them with Rondar and the first ones are in the tooling now with several already committed - see association website or www.cirrusrace.com for details. We are biased of course so make your own mind up and come along for a trial sail sometime (even if you don't think you'll ever want one !) Mike - Blaze '720' |
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jeffers ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 29 Mar 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 3048 |
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Definitely....it seems to be key where you sit downwind....a real knife edge between too far forward and too far back!
I just love to see the smug look on Laser sailors faces vanish as you point lower but then climb above them :-). Get it right and you can Plane upwind too! Paul PS Mike, thanks for the vang tip....makes a huge difference! |
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getafix ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 28 Mar 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2143 |
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love the Blaze X upwind, you don't get much in the way of pointing,
specially if you compare to IC's, Lasers or even Phantoms, but they do
lift like no-one's business on the foils, you can feel the 'speed bump'
in anything over 10-12 knots, as soon as you're hiking off the wings
you just lee bow like crazy and can pop out above most stuff except
Merlins or N12's which point like lunatics anyway...you definitely go
for speed and keeping the rig powered up rather than trying to outpoint
other boats, I've found it's worth ducking starboard tackers if it's
anything other than really roundabout to do so because the Blaze loses
a lot of momentum in the tack, unlike an RS300 or similar.
Dead downwind is a real technique fest to go very fast and I think that's why the top 10-20 Blaze X sailors are pretty stable - it takes some time to get that right. On a tight or beam reach, even a novice can get an incredible result out of the Blaze as soon as there's any kind of decent breeze - but again, I'd say practice would really pay here as well |
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jeffers ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 29 Mar 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 3048 |
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Blaze going upwind when sailed well does not appear to point terribly high but bugger do they clims on the foils.... (Ask the Ents at my club, they hate being upwind of me in anything above a F2).
Teh trick upwind is to not point the boat too much, ok they do point but it is much slower. Same with Phantoms I believe except they dont seem to climb very much. Interesting point last Sunday, Enough wind for the Blaze to get up on the plane offwind. I had the measure of the Phantoms on every leg except dead downwind, but thats probably down to technique on my part (still learning where to sit). For hos who look at Phantoms and think yes...but I aint fat enough try the Blaze, very smilar sail are but much more forgiving....and there is the sensation of being fully flat out hiking on the racks blasting along with the boat looking like it will take off (and leaving those Phantoms for dead on the tighter reaches). Horses for courses.....but I wanted something faster than a Laser but not as over powered as a Phantom..... |
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blaze720 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 28 Sep 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1635 |
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The so called 'new' sail is universal and has been for many years !! An 'old' sail if you could still find one would be slightly faster in very light stuff and be difficult to controle when it blew. Its swings and ... well you get the idea. Well it was bigger and was a product of the 90's obsession with fully battened everything. Semi soft - 2 full-length upper battens and a couple of shorter ones below is a great compromise and the Blaze can be easily 'feathered' upwind as a result. This has become very common now and really transforms the handling and gave us fantastic ease of use.
We asked an early 800 sailor why they were 'semi-soft' soon after they appeared - he said he did not know why but that he could feather the sail properly upwind. Then we built a prototype sail with Jeremy Robinson and ran formal testing for 5 months before switching - result: revived class ! This ability to feather upwind is a great attribute in a single sailed boat as depowering is as important as powering up when you have a tall, powerful 10m rig. Give me or the assocaition a call and try one out - we can do this at the 'Blaze - Burghfield Six-Pack' starting first Sunday in December - you get a boat, some practice and one race to try it alongside the locals ! Mike - Blaze 720 |
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Certainly will do, i may well be there one weekend in april so i'l take you up on that! You think weve done a good job of hijacking the blaze thread ![]() So, blazes........ love the X-rig! Im sure this question has been asked before, but assuming 2 brand new blaze X's were to race each other, one with the new sail and one with the old fully battoned sail, excusing boat handling differences is there any actual speed difference? My point being, if someone could handle the fully battoned sail with ease in all conditions, with a new modded boat would they still be competative, or will others of the same standard beat them because of the new sail?? |
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