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    Posted: 21 Nov 06 at 10:16pm
Im sorry but im biased, and 14s will always be at the forefront of sailing design etc. Some of those boats are works of art! Im not dismissing the cherubs though! If anyone wants a crew in a decent breeze id be more than happy to go on what looks like one hell of a ride. But for me the 14 will always lead the way. Take my ovi 2, no way could it ever win a 14 nationals etc but it still does a very goodjob of eating 800s in chichester harbour  
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were those 800's being sailed well though??
I like cherubs, they are fun to sail (even though im way to heavy) and give a good bang for your buck, so to speak (apologies for the horrible american term)
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I'm not sure that any Cherub sailor can contest that fourteeniners are at the forefront of the technology.

However if I'm moving at the moment from 14 to Cherub it is because it is a better compromise to sail with lighers crew, less experimented in a wider range of conditions (if you are not a top edge sailor).

It's also a kind of challenge in the Cherub class to imagin cheap and simple interesting solutions for building.

I don't really what other class can contest it.

You might find some SMOD which have nearly the same potential public but you forgot that most cherubists are builders. The class may be compared to fireballs in the late 70s. I hope the devlopment will be the same.
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Originally posted by BBSCFaithfull

Im sorry but im biased, and 14s will always be at the forefront of sailing design etc.

The 14s are near the front (I'd say the 12s are ahead) at the moment, but for the majority of the last 40 years they've been a very long way away from it. Right through the 70s and 80s the Cherubs were leagues ahead.

I remember with considerable amusement a 14 sailor at Sailboat in about '89 explaining to me how much better the Cherubs would be if they looked like 14s. Well now the 14s all look like Cherubs...
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Originally posted by Medway Maniac

Nobody seems to have taken Ian's point about the switch to twin-wire narrowing the field of potential sailors. I guess if you sail in steady winds at sea it's not such an issue, but not many teams seem to be able to really master a twin-wire boat and sail it to its potential in gusty inland conditions.

I think there's always a danger that the people at the top of a fleet will take it evermore extreme, leaving the novices literally in their wake... swimming.


All I can say about the twin wire move is the class now has a load more members than it did 6 years ago ( close to 50% more ). Taking a bigger slice of a smaller pie can be a good move sometimes.

Any rule change needs a 2/3rds majority.

The class may or may not have a list of innovations to it's name but one thing it does supply is a health amount of yacht designers.

Difficult to sail, well may be. But as the development of the boat increases and the skills are learnt that will get easier.

A lot of the boats people see about will be modified boats not optimised for the new rules set and therefor potentially more difficult to sail if upgraded to the new rules.
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I've just seen this thread.

The first rule of cherub sailing appears to be "Everyone else talks about Cherub Sailing"!

For the increasing number of us doing it (we were the largest doublehander fleet at the Weston winter series on Saturday) the Cherub remains what it has always been: The true high-performance boat for couples and lighter weight teams, which is also home-buildable and home-designable at reasonable cost.

Don't forget that the complete all carbon Cardinal Sin design gives you 29erXX spankability (read the DSM test sail) for less cash. Also a wider weight range. Also not a builder monopoly. Also T foils.

Here's a letter showing how little cherub culture has changed in thirty years:

(This chap looked in to cherubs in the 70's and then wrote to us in 2005 to give us some material of historical interest. I particularly like his sign off line: "...keep scaring the establishment")

 

 

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PPS If you want to find out what makes the Cherub class really unique, come to our "Sticky Weekend" in January and learn how you can make your own foils and spars. It's easy and great fun. Keep your eye on the website.



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SAIL WHAT YOU LIKE. "VIVE LA DIFERENCE" or somthing like that.
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Originally posted by tgruitt

were those 800's being sailed well though??
I like cherubs, they are fun to sail (even though im way to heavy) and give a good bang for your buck, so to speak (apologies for the horrible american term)


I would believe so tom
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