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    Posted: 11 Nov 06 at 12:52am
sory forgot to state that the replacement for RESCUE BOAT was SAFETY BOAT. Anyone recall this?
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Interesting thread, the only disagreement being how soon to stop kicking you Jamie! Luckily you weren't in a rotomoulded boat or they'd have been demanding the death penalty...........

FWIW we've been retrieved off our turtled boat as it drifted towards the dam, in a  squall that knocked everything with a sail over.  Seem to remember the safety boat helm saying "get in, the boat's insured but your'e not."  He did go back and retrieve it or us once we were safely ashore tho.
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An interesting thread (and I've just read it all). Clearly Jamie recognises he was wrong and has changed his mind about claiming.

However, I tend to think his reaction, to claim against somebody else is becoming driven into people in the UK by the frequent and continuous TV "no win no fee" type advertising which seems to suggest that when something happens to you you claim against somebody else for money. With such a barrage of "claim, claim, claim" publicity going on I am not surprised by the original question. It is part of the price the UK is paying for becoming Americanised.

In fact it is more than just UK becoming Americanised. Research has shown that younger generations are being over protected from risk. Children are no longer being allowed out to learn by mistakes. When I was a kid used to spend ages falling off things and getting hurt and apparently this is a critical part of the learning process. These days "health and safety", etc. is stopping children from such activities, school trips are often too great a risk and anything minor "goes wrong" and the teacher is subject to enquiries, etc. The result is that they have a greater need to feel "looked-after" (the nanny state being sought). Part of this is accidents not being "your fault" and claiming against them i.e. there is always a safety net for you. (Not for one moment suggesting Jamie is in this category but talking generally here).

Activities like sailing are really fantastic as they encourage learning by experience, getting it wrong, "falling over" and learning to stand on one's own two feet - and actually in a fairly protected environment. Get everybody out sailing.


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One suggestion for Jamie; you have clearly changed you mind. How about saying so at the club, buy whoever a pint and suggest the offending eye-bolt (or whatever) be moved to a better position to stop the same thing happening again (even offer to help with the work).

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Originally posted by Deimos

An interesting thread (and I've just read it all). Clearly Jamie recognises he was wrong and has changed his mind about claiming.

However, I tend to think his reaction, to claim against somebody else is becoming driven into people in the UK by the frequent and continuous TV "no win no fee" type advertising which seems to suggest that when something happens to you you claim against somebody else for money. With such a barrage of "claim, claim, claim" publicity going on I am not surprised by the original question. It is part of the price the UK is paying for becoming Americanised.

In fact it is more than just UK becoming Americanised. Research has shown that younger generations are being over protected from risk. Children are no longer being allowed out to learn by mistakes. When I was a kid used to spend ages falling off things and getting hurt and apparently this is a critical part of the learning process. These days "health and safety", etc. is stopping children from such activities, school trips are often too great a risk and anything minor "goes wrong" and the teacher is subject to enquiries, etc. The result is that they have a greater need to feel "looked-after" (the nanny state being sought). Part of this is accidents not being "your fault" and claiming against them i.e. there is always a safety net for you. (Not for one moment suggesting Jamie is in this category but talking generally here).

Activities like sailing are really fantastic as they encourage learning by experience, getting it wrong, "falling over" and learning to stand on one's own two feet - and actually in a fairly protected environment. Get everybody out sailing.


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Post Options Post Options   Quote Contender 541 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Nov 06 at 6:21pm

Having read this thread - all of it - I did a little hunt for something I posted a few months ago on a similar topic.  Then I got (probably correctly) shot down in flames for my comments.  I thought I would post them again and have a second go

 

Originally posted by Contender 541

Originally posted by Stefan Lloyd

Originally posted by Contender 541

Rescue?  Safety?

One is there for your rescue and one is there for your safety. 

Same thing??

Yes, same thing. You apparently think otherwise but your post does not give a clue why.

 

One implies a duty of care the other implies you will do something.

You fail to pick someone out of the water for whatever reason having put on 'rescue' cover then you are leaving yourself open to a whole heap of nastyness.

You fail to pick someone out of the water for whatever reason having put on 'safety' cover then you are in a grey area and protected from the law to a greater degree.  You only provided safety cover, you never said you would rescue them.

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jeffers 10th november states that his club is considering changing from RESCUE to ASSIST boats.We call ours SAFETY boats,but maybe we  should change to HELP boats.Someone hand me a Thesaurus !!!!!!! Seems that whatever title we allocate they are still quite obviously out on the water for our benefit.

Maybe it could be arranged that every club runs  safety boat courses to coincide with the clubs sailing programme?

Another option .....The competitors sign a disclaimer absolving the club of any responsibility........I seem to recall having had this discussion in the dim distant past and suspect that this suggestion is about to be shot down in flames!

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Our club runs safety boat courses for everybody who does "rescue" and all our drivers are given power boat training up to level 2 (further if they want I think). On top of that they are all given first aid training which is refreshed every 2 years.

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Originally posted by les5269

Our club runs safety boat courses for everybody who does "rescue" and all our drivers are given power boat training up to level 2 (further if they want I think). On top of that they are all given first aid training which is refreshed every 2 years.

Fantastic if only evert club did this.

But power boat L2 in no way trains people to rescue dinghies there is a 'talked thought' bit on towing but no requirement to do anything practical.

IMHO the RYA Safetyboat course give people basic the skills of rescuing dighies, it takes lots of experence to get to a point where you are comftable deeling with all situations.

I am not sure where the basic experence level for saftey boat driving should be set, too low and we have dangours drivers on the water, too high and you left with just a few people to do the duty. 

As sailor we must decide if the conditions are right for ourselfs to go sailing not relie on some one else to sort it all out when it all goes wrong. (I must addmit its great to have them when something unexpected breaks) But if go out on the water we must accept the consiquences of our actions (why would any saine normal person go out in 40kts?)

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Sorry I should have made it clearer, the safety boat training includes actually going to the assistance of capsized boats including towing them in, righting from turtle and from on it's side.

We also do this with all sorts of boats from Lasers through fast asymmetrics to cats.

(we had the 49er/29er/59er,Musto skiffs and 420 inlands this w/end and the majority were sailing yesterday in gusts up to 37knots)

much respect to them! BTW we stayed on the shore

 



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