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    Posted: 09 Nov 06 at 10:23am

Was it Whitney who sang "I beleive the children are our future"? And is she still in rehab?

The reason that the assymetric boats have been so great for our sport is they have made high performance sailing far more accessible to all. I'm probably going to start a bun fight here but hear me out.

When I was a kid in Cadets the spinnaker scared me witless. Extra ropes, sticking the tiller between your knees. judgeing the angle of the pole. Not easy. So I grew up and sailed Scorps and got better at it. But when I moved into cats I chose a two sail class because I didn't fancy launching from the bag. Too many things to go wrong.

With modern assym boats. The crew can launch pole and kite with a single line. I now have a chute on the cat and life's a doddle. Flying the kite is like a big jib. I am not saying that any of these boats are easy to sail but I am suggesting that the learning curve is different and it is more accessible.

So now, in the 29er, you have an all out racer that can be controlled by two teenagers. Brilliant! That's two more sailors. And they'll grow up and move to 49ers or 800s. And then take their wives out sailing (probably only the once though). And then have kids (when the wives have calmed down a bit) and repeat the cycle.

But the 29er is not cheap. You can't build one in your garage out of sheet plywood. And they're not indestructible like a Topper. So you are looking for parents to stump up the cash. And, sadly, in today's world, most boat clubs will have a child protection policy. Changing rooms with open showers for adults and children alike must be a paedophile heaven. And so parents are inevitably going to be more involved to keep an eye on both the boat and the child.

And youngsters are a pain in the backside to us old fogies (I'm 37). They have no cynicism about life, and without other burdens such as career and mortgages, can be single minded about their pursuit. Then again, I think I would be highly strung if I couldn't drink or have sex!

And if you feel uncomfortable as an adult when the majority of the fleet is under 18, remember that it is far more intimidating to sail and mix as a junior in an adult class. Push parents with their blank cheques are a pain but I'm not sure whether I'm just looking in envy, wanting to know why someone won't bankroll my hobby.

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Originally posted by CT249

The initial design, according to Julian and Frank in writings and interviews and conversations and the day the first one first raced, was definitely for a youth boat. Julian was clear about it, over a tape recorder, to me. There's even articles by Frank about how he researched the way the weight of youth sailors had risen since he designed the Laser 2, and then applied they applied that knowledge to increase the 29er's displacement.

It may still make a fine lightweight adults boat, but it seems clear it was designed as a youth boat from the start.


well if that's the case, and I'm sure it is, I'm glad I sold it when I did and didn't make a loss. But the idea of a Masters circuit seems a good one, and from the sounds of it would increase the 29er fleet even more. I could be interested again if it was the case. Tell me CT, you are sound like a yachting journalist, who do you write for?
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Let's look at the positive side, sailing with a bunch of kids always means you can get to the bar.

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Reckon that with the other current options on the market, most people over look the 29er because it has youth status. Competitors to the 29er are the 4000, 800, 200, Cherub and possibly the RS500. Each boat judged individually provides good sailing and class racing with a more mixed fleet. Reckon most people just decide that they don't want to sail a youth boat because the alternatives are just as good, if not better by some peoples' veiw points. Look at the national attendances and reckon that 130 boats turning up for the 200 nationals may heavily sway people towards that class for fleet racing. Also it may be argued that the standard of racing within such classes as the 200 is higher as there were representatives turning out from the youth squads at the 200 nationals and by my recollection, think the highest placed boat was just within the top 20 and the rest struggling to break into the top 30. When I was a Youth, I chose to sail the Laser 2 opposed to the 420 due not wanting to get involved with the RYA squads and felt it more beneficial to race against adults at my club who had success within varying classes opposed to training with my peers. Think there are a lot of bonuses to the Youth systems but they have their disadvantages too and Youth boats being sailed primarily by youths is nothing new, how many people above the youth squad age range do you see turn up to the 420 nationals? Overall though, reckon the 29er is a cracking boat and hopefully the new XX will atract more adults into the class.



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Originally posted by English Dave

Boat looks like it's barely afloat.

I don't know where you sail sunchine, but in the Solent they have waves...
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bought a 200 mostly due the fleet sizes around me.  If there were equal fleets I would have been well up for a 29er but like many people here would be put off by a fleet of squidgets.

But when the XX rig comes out (which I am v excited about, seems perfect for a 50kg female...) what will the social for that be like?  I am *hoping* that it will get adopted by some nice friendly adults rather than squaddies, and that it wont get too serious....
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Originally posted by JimC

Originally posted by English Dave

Boat looks like it's barely afloat.

I don't know where you sail sunshine, but in the Solent they have waves...

Goooooogle puts Ballyholme YC right at the sea end of Belfast Lough on the southern shore, so I would imagine that a good north easterly would produce waves of a magnitude rarely seen in the Solent Ocean!

Close your eyes and "GO FOR IT!" What else do we pay insurance premiums for?
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Originally posted by Port End Flyer

Originally posted by JimC

Originally posted by English Dave

Boat looks like it's barely afloat.

I don't know where you sail sunshine, but in the Solent they have waves...

Goooooogle puts Ballyholme YC right at the sea end of Belfast Lough on the southern shore, so I would imagine that a good north easterly would produce waves of a magnitude rarely seen in the Solent Ocean!

And we have a sense of humour.

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Originally posted by English Dave

Ballyholme YC .... we have a sense of humour.

   Ooh for sure, you’ll be finding out soon enough, there be precious little call for one of those little blighters around here!

Close your eyes and "GO FOR IT!" What else do we pay insurance premiums for?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote I luv Wight Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Nov 06 at 6:20pm
Originally posted by English Dave

Definitely too heavy. Boat looks like it's barely afloat.


But if you'd sailed a 29er, you'd know that keeping the pointy front in the water, and the fat ass out is fast upwind!
( and yes it was a bit wavy)

Solent waves are very tide influenced - a 15knot breeze is flat and easy with a 3-4knot tide , and very lumpy against.

The low bow ( and high pitch inertia) is one of the 29er faults - it scoops up the waves upwind - get one wrong, and then you get the next two or three over the bow too, till the boat fills up and you slow down - and have to wait for ages for the water to drain out through those tiny holes.



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