laser 4000?

I agree with furtive there, stability on a trapeze is rarely to do with the boat but the guy at the back with the stick.  In actaul fact i would say the opposite and that the 29er is the more unsettling boat to trapeze.  Its far lower to the water than the 4000 so your that much closer to getting wiped out. 

Doug.H

Don't let anyone tell you otherwise , 29ers are as wobbly as hell, but when mastered the world is your oyster , my kids sailed a 29er for a year and had a great time , they are excellent boats and with easily depowered rigs and light weight they are physically easier to sail than a 4000 ,

My kids went from being the ideal weight for a 29er to far too heavy in a year , but learnt heaps and had a great time , 29ers in great demand sold no trouble.

When they got the 29er they wouldn't have been able to pull a 4000 up the slip , now no trouble.

 

Bought 4000 , pick of crop , buyers market , and they had a great time sailing that too , still growing like weeds have gone from racks full out and all weights to half in racks and less weights .

 

The great thing is that as you grow you change equalisation to suit , and it works.

Both boats are well built , virtually bullet proof , competitevely last for ages.

 

 

I think 4000s have quite a bit of power on them and to be honest would be out of your weight range even with the weight equalisation.  The 29er's the one to go for, and it's way more modern and doesn't look dated like the 4 tonner.  And Re the waves thang....the 29er is truly awesome in waves.  We get some nice big ones on a windy day down at Thorpe Bay and it's great for 29er sailing

You pretty much have everything covered by your two threads now so I’d say it was over to you.

 

For what its worth me… well my crew and I are about the same weight as you and I’ve recently got a 29er that I love, very fast and responsive and rewards good sailing in a very immediate kind of way. But its very tippy and nervous and if your on a small shift piece of water and new to asymmetric it would be a pretty steep learning curve.

 

Buzz is a great first asymmetric and I’m pleased to see that it seems to be reasonable well represented on your threads. However they seem heavy and unresponsive when you get used to them, but on a small piece of water its stability and ease of use would give you much more fun than a 4000… which I haven’t sailed so perhaps shouldn’t comment on… other than to say that it doesn’t appeal. Those racks you like almost drowned my crew with her previous helm (stuck underneath) and by today’s standards it just seems heavy and tippy. Never really understood why its gets such a good right up on this forum as the beginners I see sail it and we have had quite a few on the river over the last couple of years struggle a lot. Not only to sail them but to just keep them up right. Good sailors do undoubtedly make them look good but average sailors just wind up retiring and towed back when the wind gets up

 

Ian

The 29er is a lot lighter, nippier feeling, twitchy, dynamic, all that sort of thing. I think its got anicer, moe dynamic rig too. To *me* a boat with that sort of feel feels faster, even if it isn't. In practice I'd *guess* that the 29er will have the legs in top speed offwind, but the 4000 will be easier to get upwind though waves. The feel of both is so different you really ought to sail both and decide which style of boat is good for you. I don't regularly sail either, although there are both at my club, but FWIW I think the 29er is the best new one design of the last thirty years. On the other hand that's irrelevant if you don't like the style of boat...

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