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Garry 
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 Topic: Finish linePosted: 18 Oct 06 at 7:13pm |
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The definition of finishing is quiet clear and unless you have specified something diferent in the SIs then there is no requirement to go round the ends or continue to sail on over the line and I can't see how any protest committee could determine you hadn't finished correctly if you ducked back over the line without clearing it. If however you then sailed back on starboard and called starboard on someone still racing you would probably infringe rule 22 (which applies after you have finished). But if in sailing back you have to avoid a navigational hazard and caused a boat still racing to avoid you then there is nothing for them to protest about assuming you have complied with the IRPCS. Rule 22 says something like deliberate and interfere with...
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Garry
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Rupert
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Posted: 19 Oct 06 at 11:01am |
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Once upon a time your complete boat had to cross the line for you to have finished, so for instance if you started paddling after the gun but before you had crossed completely, you would be disqualified. That seems to have changed, but I'm not sure why? Are you allowed to hit the ODM after you have been finished, but before you have cleared the line? Round the ends is in sailing instructions, not the rules, or people sailing on narrow rivers would have to drag the boats out onto the bank! The rules of sportsmanship must come into play when clearing the line, and they carry the heaviest penalties of all. |
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Posted: 19 Oct 06 at 12:15pm |
Boat on boat situations resulting in penalties are still valid unless the boats in the situation have their transoms clear of the line. |
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Garry
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Posted: 19 Oct 06 at 12:29pm |
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True and if you hit the ODM before clearing the line you have to take the penalty and then recross from the correct side. The requirement for the complete boat to cross the line hasn't been in the rules for years. |
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gordon
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Posted: 19 Oct 06 at 4:17pm |
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I am not sure if "clearing the line" is as simple and as clear cut as getting the transom clear of the line. Firstly this doesn't cover situations where the transom never crosses the line.
The rules gives no clear definition of "clearing the line" In the logic of the rules this tends to mean that the rule should be interpreted in light of the circumstances pertaining at the time - in the same way as in rule 18 where the notion of "about to round a mark" can vary widely. I have not found an ISAF case that covers the situation but in a hearing I would tend to hold (as a member of the protest committee) that a boat has cleared the line only when she is sufficiently far from the line to be keeping clear of any boat that is still racing and approaching the finish line. Until this moment she is subject to all the rules of Part 2 and may be protested under these rules. Thus, for instance a windward keep clear boat would still be racing, and under an obligation to keep clear (rule 11) at least until the leeward boat has finished. Gordon |
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redders
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Posted: 20 Oct 06 at 12:48pm |
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Gordon, What is your take on the the issue of hitting the mark? Redders |
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gordon
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Posted: 20 Oct 06 at 1:11pm |
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Read rule 31.1 "While racing, a boat shall not touch (....) a finishing mark after finishing.
A boat is racing until she has finished and cleared the line. Until that moment if the boat hits the finishing mark rule 31.2 applies. The boat must take a one turn penalty then sail completely to the course side of the line before finishing. Once a boat has cleared the line she may bounce of as many marks as she wants as long as she doesn't interfere with boats that are racing. It is ultimately the protest committee's call to define what clearing the line actually means - probably not the same for an Optimist race on a duckpond and a TP52 race on the open sea. Hope this is clear Gordon |
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Matt Jackson
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Posted: 23 Oct 06 at 12:54pm |
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Kinda similar situation: I got some stern looks from the RO yesterday because after I finished I re-crossed the finish line... twice. The final leg was an absolutly perfect beam reach in a F4-5 and was so good a gybed round, reached back up to the last mark and repeated the leg a couple of times. I even got another gun on the second go! I made sure I didn't get in anyones way and crossed the line the correct way both times so there was no infringement - just (not so) youthful exuberance! |
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snoopy
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Posted: 24 Oct 06 at 1:54pm |
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I reckon that once you have finished you are not a racing boat, so you have
to keep clear, and out of seamanship and sportsmanship you could be penalized if you infringed someone else. As for hitting the ODM you could hit it once the gun has gone because the gun signals that you have finished the race! |
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gordon
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Posted: 24 Oct 06 at 2:33pm |
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Snoopy,
As for hitting the finish mark : Rule 31.1 very specifically says the exact opposite. "While racing, a boat shall not touch (...) a finishing mark after finishing." A boat is racing, according to the definition, until "she finishes and clears the finishing line". Clearing the finishing line may take place some time after finishing! The (non-obligatory) gun, whistle or other sound signal given by the Race Committee does not signal that the boat is no longer racing. Gordon |
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