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    Posted: 19 Oct 06 at 12:15pm
Originally posted by Rupert

Once upon a time your complete boat had to cross the line for you to have finished,



Boat on boat situations resulting in penalties are still valid unless the boats in the situation have their transoms clear of the line. 

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Once upon a time your complete boat had to cross the line for you to have finished, so for instance if you started paddling after the gun but before you had crossed completely, you would be disqualified. That seems to have changed, but I'm not sure why? Are you allowed to hit the ODM after you have been finished, but before you have cleared the line?

Round the ends is in sailing instructions, not the rules, or people sailing on narrow rivers would have to drag the boats out onto the bank! The rules of sportsmanship must come into play when clearing the line, and they carry the heaviest penalties of all.
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The definition of finishing is quiet clear and unless you have specified something diferent in the SIs then there is no requirement to go round the ends or continue to sail on over the line and I can't see how any protest committee could determine you hadn't finished correctly if you ducked back over the line without clearing it. If however you then sailed back on starboard and called starboard on someone still racing you would probably infringe rule 22 (which applies after you have finished). But if in sailing back you have to avoid a navigational hazard and caused a boat still racing to avoid you then there is nothing for them to protest about assuming you have complied with the IRPCS. Rule 22 says something like deliberate and interfere with...
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Just goes to show !

I thought if you went back across the line you restarted yourself  and had to re-finish

No idea where I got that thought but.....?
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Although all members of a sailing club are, by definition, gentlemen or gentlewomen, the SIs cannot be considered to be a gentlmen's agreement. They are, again by definition (see rule book), part of the rules.

A boat is racing until she finishes and clears the finishing line, and can thus be protested under Part 2. All the Part 2 rules apply.

 

When has a boat cleared the finishing line? At the very minimum when  part of her hull, crew or equipment are no longer on the line after the boat has finished. However,in a hearing I would probably consider that a boat has cleared the line when she has gone beyond either end of the line or has sailed several boat legths beyong the line. The idea being that the boat is clear of the line when any manoeuvre cannot interfere with a boat that is still racing. and approaching the line.

I couldn't find a case to confirm this interpretation.

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I think we used to have it in out club SI's, and as I am on the committee we may again!!

Basically you are all saying nothing in RRS, but gentlemans agreement is different

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Originally posted by Contender 541

I do have a memory of reading somewhere that going around the ends to clear the line is required (perhaps some SI's).


We have it in out club SIs to make life easier for thefinish recorders. Nothing in RRS.
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There is no requirement to sail around the ends to finish a part of your boat or crew just has to cross the line in their normal position from the direction of the last mark. Theoretically if the finish was a beat you could come head to wind on the line, put 1 inch of your bow across and then back the sails and reverse clear...

Good sportamanship suggests you should make your intention clear to other boats still racing. 22.1 requires you to keep clear 'if possible'. You are still required to follow the RRS after you finish except you can't be penalised (preamble to part 2) for infringements as such, except rule 22 and in extreme cases 2.

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Also i suppose if the course takes you through the line both ways then you might not know they are not racing and might think they have right of way
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Part of the issue I find is that even though they may not actually get in your way you are still thinking 'Which way are they going, have they seen me etc..' can make you take your eye off the ball and cost a mistake.

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