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    Posted: 12 Oct 06 at 7:13pm
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In defence of those that did not attend. I was lucky enough to be invited to the Endeavour by two classes this year.

How it works is; The RCYC conatct the Class secrateries who can then invite their National Champions. If they are unavailable they can be substituted with either a European or World Champion.

Some of our Classes do not have a World or European Champion as they are National Classes so there is no substitue, therfore the slot can be filled by another class if that class can not field a competitor.

I have previously attended three times in both the RS400's and last year in the Zenon, it is a fantastic event and will hope to attend again in the future should I be lucky enough to be invited.

I was unable to attend due to the very recent birth of my Daughter. 

  

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Ah not sure about the entry slection but the fee does include accommodation, breakfast on Sat and Sun, dinner on Sat, lunch on both days, an after race pasta mealette on Sat. I also think there is food for the training day on Friday which is provided but could be wrong. In addition to this there is coaching by HarveyHillary on the Friday. In theory the £75 entry fee and £33 insurance are all you need to spend bar travel. 
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Hi everyone,

Having traced a copy of the NOR, I noticed that the entry was restricted to 30 boats (obviously what Topper were able to provide).  I also noticed that the entry fees were £75, boat insurance £33, deposit on boat in case of damage £100 (returnable if boat returned in order). The crew's travelling expenses, accomodation, meals and subsistence must also be added.

Adding all of this up, it makes it a pretty expensive event to attend which may be another reason why some of our champions did not attend. Even so, it must be great to be good enough to take part in such a prestigious event, despite the cost.

As Alan Gillard (winner in 1986 with Graham Machon) wrote about the event in the current edition of Y & Y, "There is not another dinghy racing event on the calendar quite like this one, which if you are good enough to win, is well worth having on your sailing CV". 

Going back to the 30 boat limit, the mind boggles at the possible selection process of which classes were to take part if say 60+ of our champions wanted to participate.

Ian   (Yorkshire Dales S.C.)

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Ian

that's an interesting point, and one that I was considering myself. I think a bit comes down to the 'substitute rule' - i.e. if your national champ was invited but couldn't attend due to a family or other commitment then I don't know whether that means you lose your slot or you are allowed to 'go to second!' for example.

This then got me thinking, lets correlate the classes entered against the "National Champs Attendance Table", and then lets see whether the classes respresented are the ones with the largest nationals attendance - the short answer is no!! Of the top 20 largest nats only 9 classes were represented at the Endeavour, and whilst some of the non-attendance might be down to personal reasons from the champions it does seem a little strange that notable classes were absent.

ok so it might make sense that Oppys were not invited (but watch out for Phil Sparkes cos in 2-3 years time he'll be giving Nick Craig a good thrashing) as well as the cat classes and perhaps the keelboats (xod / squib) (although some might say sailing a xenon...) but the obvious abseentees, who had at least 60 entries at their champs are:

Laser
Laser Radial
Enterprise
RS Feva
29er
Scorpion

The Buzz, Votex and OK all had <25 entries for their nationals and yet got the nod for 'invites' to the Endevour which seems a little strange as many classes get at least 25 entries for their open meetings..

Full correlation: -

Place Class 2006 Nats Entries Nats Entry Rank
18 Topper 289 2
2 RS200 130 3
17 Cadet 118 5
3 Mirror 112 6
5 Firefly 107 8
4 Solo 79 13
15 Phantom 78 14
16 Merlin Rocket 62 19
11 GP14 62 20
8 Lark 60 22
1 RS400 60 23
7 RS700 50 32
23 Blaze 48 34
6 Musto Skiff 47 36
13 National 12 45 37
19 Comet 43 42
22 Supernova 30 54
14 British Moth 29 57
12 RS600 25 67
10 Vortex 23 71
21 OK 22 74
20 Buzz 16 95
9 Vago #N/A #N/A

*note the vago was not listed on the champs attendance table

please note this post is not meant as criticism of any individuals, but merely to provoke discussion on the grounds for why certain classes got invites with relatively poor tunouts

Is is just that lots of national champs can't be bothered with it anymore or don't fancy their chances in another class? Admittedly the clash between the endeavour and the olympic event in weymouth was poor scheduling and no doubt put paid to the laser class attending..

Right time to start campainging for the Buzz nationals next year - I might just get lucky and win that one..


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i think it entirely depends on the standard of the fleet and the consistency in
turnouts to open meetings and especially the national championships.

i do feel as though more classes should be invited though - more of an
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Post Options Post Options   Quote iansmithofotley Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Oct 06 at 12:21pm

Hi everyone,

It is an interesting point as to who attends the event. From memory, in the pre-race information and NOR on the RCYC Burnham website, I thought that the crews were 'invited' to attend.   How they would do this I do not know, for example in the Y & Y current National Championship Attendance Table, there are 127 classes (albeit this includes some keel boats and cats, etc.). So how is it worked out as to who is to be invited to attend the event. 

Nobody would expect every national champion to attend and some sailors may have won more than one championship, in which case I thought that the person who came second may attend.  Looking at the championship table, I notice that  some classes had less than ten boats at their championship and the Laser 5000 class, for example, only had three boats.

The last two events have been held in Xenons which were supplied by Topper.  In recent previous years, the Endeavour was sailed in RS 400's and, before that,  Enterprises (I don't know what other classes were used in the earlier years of the event). Crews had to provide their own boats which was sometimes difficult as it usually meant borrowing or hiring a boat. I know of someone who did not attend several times because he could not source a competitive boat.  I don't know how many boats Topper were prepared to supply for the events over the last two years but I don't suppose that they could be expected to provide say 50 or 100 boats as I suspect that they would not be available and there would be a massive logistics problem in getting the boats to the event.

So this brings us back to the point of just who is 'invited', 'selected' or is 'eligible' to attend the event?

Ian  (Yorkshire Dales S.C.)

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I am just confused as to how the Laser Vago got to compete at all...
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Of course the event is held in Burnham because that is where Endeavour was based, at the RCYC. Moving the event  would be like sailing Cowes Week somewhere else. Or the Wilson Trophy on a Moidland reservoir.

Moving long established events elsewhere can cause all sorts of problems. Look what happend when it was proposed to sail the Admirals Cup in Dublin Bay. Never happened...the RORC couldn't let their baby fly the nest. But the venue would have been superb, with a Round Irleand as a spectacular long race (almost same distance as the Fastnet)... maybe the RORC were worried that nobody would want to go back to Cowes.

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I think the venue is part of the event and it's got many years tradition behind it and conditions that are probably unusual to most entries this combined with using the Xenon makes the playing field as level as it is ever going to be ...

The results were pretty mixed up .. so I guess it was pretty open.

As for why there is no rep from some classes e.g. Fireball only those sailors can say why they didn't show ...

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