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    Posted: 09 Oct 06 at 2:19pm

Move venue? Not at all - this is real world sailing. If there are enough races, the cream will rise to the top despite 'processional races'. Indeed, the results are pretty consistent indicating that the venue had little effect.

Moving to a 'perfect venue' with open water, and perfect windward leeward/ sausages/triangles whatever (a limited test of ability in my view), would be akin to how they'd sanitised (=ruined) Grand Prix motorsport in the last 30 years - can you easily tell one circuit from another at a glance these days?

I guess you might argue that for the ultimate test they should sail a series of regattas at a variety of 'real world venues', river, sea, lake, using the most interesting courses available at the respective venues. Locals know the best ways to get the most out of their water, and it's rarely standard courses they sail...
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Originally posted by JimC

What makes you think those folk weren't used to hiking at all - especially as they are all singlehanded classes so presumably get to pick their choice of crew. Some people have sailed more than one class of boat!

Bit picky that Jim but yes perhaps I should have said used to hiking 'anything like as much'.  For example, the leading rep of this type was the Musto Skiff. Excepting the odd half hour now and then, Ian Trotter hasn't sailed a hiking boat for years. His crew, Graham Vials helmed a 470 some time ago, then had a period substantially out of sailing and now foils on a Moth - hardly a real hiking boat and certainly less so than any of the proper hiking classes they comfortably beat.

You earlier 'picked' up on my comment that the RS400 sailors would arguably have an advantage - saying they would definately have the advantage - presumably because they are familiar with this style of sailing.

So on the assumption that your view as to what classes are likely to have an advantage doesn't stop at RS 400 / 200,  who would you say was next best placed in terms of familiarity with this style of sailing?

I'm guessing you're not likely to suggest the single handed trapeze boat sailors.

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Having made a big effort to restore this once prestigeous event last year it again appears to be on the wane and was almost more notable for the absentees rather than the participants. Isnt it about time thay held it at a decent venue which avoids short tacking up a shore, running aground and processional races.
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I have spoken to Ian Trotter who says the event was excellent in all respects and the racing very tough.

The tide was very strong and many places could be won or lost in races.

He said the fleet was very close and most people had their moments; more details of his report here.

http://www.mustoskiff.com/

Rick

PS - he also said his legs were in bits ...
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What makes you think those folk weren't used to hiking at all - especially as they are all singlehanded classes so presumably get to pick their choice of crew. Some people have sailed more than one class of boat!

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Originally posted by tack'ho

Originally posted by Medway Maniac

How about that, the Vago heading the GP & Merlin reps?!  Must be down to some expertise at sailing hulls that mould themselves to the waves...

asym....non asym??? thoughts?

Having no asymmetric in their 'normal' boats didn't seem to badly affect the performance of the Mirror, Solo, Firefly, or Lark. Probably more significant in terms of performance in this type of boat is ability to hike. Despite not being used to hiking at all, the MPS, RS700, Vortex and RS600 reps all finished in the top half and beat some significant 'hiking boats'.
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2006 Endeavour Trophy

Overall | Race 1 | Race 2 | Race 3 | Race 4 | Race 5 | Race 6 | Race 7 | Race 8



Place Sail Class Helm Crew Points R1 R2 R3 R4 R5 R6 R7 R8
1 15 RS400 Nick Craig James Stewart 13 5 1 1 3 1 3 3 1
2 14 RS200 Roger Gilbert Katrina Gilbert 23 2 2 4 8 4 1 4 6
3 9 Mirror Hector Cisners Graham Williamson 31 3 7 6 2 5 4 6 5
4 18 Solo Jamie Lea Adam May 41 4 4 2 4 2 24 7 18
5 4 Firefly Steve Tylecote David Ellis 43 9 6 5 9 3 2 10 9
6 10 Musto Skiff Ian Trotter Graham Vials 45 8 5 7 11 7 6 1 24
7 17 RS700 Paul Bayliss Jane Olive 59 1 3 9 1 24 24 14 7
8 7 Lark Alan Krailing Edd McArdle 62 6 13 17 5 12 11 2 13
9 22 Vago Roger Phillips Will Crocker 66 14 10 14 10 8 13 8 3
10 23 Vortex Keith Escritt Jonathan Lister 68 7 15 11 15 24 5 11 4
11 5 GP14 Matt Mee Simon Potts 71 12 16 3 16 24 7 9 8
12 16 RS600 Christian Reynolds Andy Heissig 74 11 11 12 14 24 9 15 2
13 11 National 12 Tom Stewart Chris Downham 74 13 9 16 6 10 10 24 10
14 6 British Moth Rob Wilder Rachel Cooper 79 10 8 8 13 11 14 21 15
15 13 Phantom Andrew Couch Sam Firkins 86 15 12 10 12 6 19 12 24
16 8 Merlin Rocket William Warren Chris Robinson 92 24 14 13 7 13 16 5 24
17 25 Cadet Katrina Brewer Andrew Brewer 112 18 18 18 22 24 12 13 11
18 21 Topper Bleddyn Mon Tom Humphries 122 20 21 21 19 24 8 16 17
19 3 Comet Ian Coppenhall Jennifer Lemmon 122 21 19 22 21 15 17 17 12
20 24 Buzz Simon Cory Penny Jordan 124 16 20 20 23 14 18 22 14
21 12 OK Robert Deaves Daniel Ager 125 17 17 15 17 24 21 19 19
22 20 Supernova Norman Halstead Ruth Birkett 128 24 24 24 20 9 15 20 16
23 1 Blaze Mike Lyons Simon Beddows 130 19 22 19 18 16 20 18 20

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I see the musto's beat the 700's     AGAIN will they ever learn!!!!
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Originally posted by Medway Maniac

How about that, the Vago heading the GP & Merlin reps?!  Must be down to some expertise at sailing hulls that mould themselves to the waves...

asym....non asym??? thoughts?
I might be sailing it, but it's still sh**e!
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Originally posted by Guest#260

So who's going to win;

 

Here is my forecast.

1st Craig
2nd Lea
3rd Gilbert

 

Absolutely spot on after day one!!!



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