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    Posted: 28 Sep 06 at 3:05pm
I am looking for a skiff to go sailing with my wife. I have done my share of swimming but she is still learning the ropes. We weigh in at a combined 160Kg (350lbs)
An Rs800, Boss or 49er are probably too much.
a 29er is too small.
Maybe the ISO.
I was thinking of the laser 5000. It seems in decline, why is that?

I am looking for something that will forgive our early mistakes and yet progress with us. IS that possible?
Which boats would you recommend?
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Out of interest, why are you writing off the Boss, yet considering the 5 tonner? Whilst I personaly prefer the 5k, they are intrinsicaly very similar boats. Bagging the kite on the 5k could be a bit of a struggle for a crew 'learning the ropes' though.

B14 could also be an option, but again: bag kite system.

How much experiance does your wife (and yourself infact) have? It may well be worth looking at something like a 4k, ISO, Buzz etc for a season or two rather than jumping in head first
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59er or B14? Both fast boats, the B14 has a good racing circuit and they are not to expensive. The 59er is a really nice boat to sail and you have to be a minimum of 155kgs crew weight but the is not really much of a racing circuit even though they are really nice boats to sail.
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I would fully recommend a buzz although i am biased because i sail one, they are very forgiving so a great "still learning" boat
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The issue is you're trying to reconcile a relatively(!) heavy crew, with limited experience and a skiff. Why not take the experience issue out of the equation, and start with something like an RS400 for a year. Unlike the 59er (as good a boat as it is), loads of them around, very good circuit with excellent sailors, lots of training/help on hand to get the experience.

I know you discounted the 800, but it isn't an extreme a 'skiff' as they go - one design (designed as a more easily sailed/detuned 49er), and have plenty of mixed crews, has a kite chute, and has the option of the single wire config to get you going too... Again plenty of them around.

Otherwise, the B14 or 4k. Both give you good 'bang for buck'.

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I'd say an RS4000 or Laser 4000 are you two best options (assuming you have decided to go down the asymmetric route) - both will happily carry your weight. The 400 is inherently a bit easy to sail (no trapeze to worry about, smaller kite), but both are fast enough to be exciting, whilst not being too hard to sail.

Second-hand prices are fairly low at the moment, so lots of bargains about. Also both have excellent UK series if you want to do some proper racing.

Boss/5000 might be a bit much (and are dead classes), 59er is a good boat, but no class racing to speak of, Buzz, 29er and 800 are probably all too small.

B14 could be an option, but could be a bit daunting for a new-ish crew - a long way from one side to the other (through quite a small gap), and a big kite to pack into a small bag, instead of an easy chute drop.

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Strongly agree with the above.  We're in a similar position to you as mid-weight husband / wife crew moving up from a 2-sail traditional class and are enjoying the 400 as a first high-performance assy challenge. 

We found the 800 a great blast and easy to sail, but not very suited to our waters and decided to start with a 400.  We did find the single-wire mode 800 a real handful in a breeze though and didn't like the helming position at all...much easier on the wire!

Other option would be the RS500 which I've been wanting to try - the RS marketing makes it look like a youth boat but I've also read somewhere that some adult mixed fireball crews had switched to it and were enjoying it.  I suspect it would only be good fun in a blow at your weight thogh.

 

 

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As soon as i read your post i immediatly thought a B14 as a very good option. A husband and wife pair have just bought one at Kielder, they have no experiance with assymetrics or skiffs but have found the boat very forgiving and a perfect boat to get them sailing together (wife had done very little sailing beforehand). Everytime they come back in they have huge grins on their faces.

The bag system is not hugly difficult to use but it is more of a hassle than a chute would be, as far as i can see that is the only real downside.

There is a lot of sail on them but the boat will let you get a way with quite a lot of mistakes before it throws you in, as a lot of skiffs do!
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Don't write off the B14 because of the bagging kite issue.  Its not difficult and adds another aspect of the sailing for the crew, and makes you a bigger man than all the "pull string drop" boats!  Also it makes racing a little more tactical (due to drops having to be timed to perfection, and the choice of gybe/windward drop). 

It is a long way from one side to the other but it keeps you fit!  And you can join the class for very cheap - check www.b14.org for second hand boats, from about £1500 to £5,000.  They aren't too daunting as they don't have a trapeze, but they require excellent team work.  Downwind rides are about as crazy as it comes - 500sq/ft of sail makes a 62kg boat go rather quick!


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Post Options Post Options   Quote mike ellis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Sep 06 at 6:01pm
Originally posted by MainlySwimming

Other option would be the RS500 which I've been wanting to try - the RS marketing makes it look like a youth boat but I've also read somewhere that some adult mixed fireball crews had switched to it and were enjoying it.  I suspect it would only be good fun in a blow at your weight thogh.

DONT DO IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!! the 500 is so slow compared to other boats with a wire upwind. and if you can get around that its realy not much bigger than a 29er. i tried the one at Burgfield and it felt a bit odd on the helm, not light but not heavy just odd. it will be an easy boat to learn in but you will want to get out of it and into something racier quite quickly.

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