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gordon ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 07 Sep 04 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1037 |
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Would it be inappropriate to point out that when a dinghy is sailing but not racing or training to race it could be said that the boat and crew are cruising (or daysailing which is cruising lite!). The whole philosophy of cruising is based around self-help (or mutual aid when boats sail in groups). A basic principle would be - don't get into a situation which you can't get out of on your own. I wouldn't dream of going out on my own without an adequate anchor and decent paddles (or preferably an oar but I can understand that not many dinghies are equipped for rowing - learn to scull and cut a notch in the stern!). An anchor to stop me drifting away, and a paddle to get home. Both the Dinghy Cruising Association and the Wayfarer Association publish guidelines that are eminently sensible. I hope everyone appreciates that unless we are all sensible about taking risks then there is an enthusiastic legislator in Westminster or Brussels who is eager to impose unrealistic restrictions on our sport.
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Thankyou, James, for reformulating my remarks so neatly - if you haven't got the appropriate gear on board then you shouldn't be sailing without rescue cover, or at the very least another boat to keep you company. Some boats are not designed to be sailed independently. On Irish waters, once you get away from the main yachting centres other boats are few and far between. You can't rely on anybody else seeing you if you have a problem, and the lifeboat may take hours to arrive. Not quite the same situation as the Solent on a summer Sunday afternoon. Gordon |
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Where did you read this? |
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Phat Bouy ![]() Posting king ![]() ![]() Joined: 15 Jun 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 168 |
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If would be very unlikely that anyone would be sued whilst acting as a Safety or Rescue boat as the sailor makes a declaration of competance and judgement of the conditions as covered in the club's/event's SIs which you agree to before you set sail. |
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CurlyBen ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 17 Aug 05 Location: Southampton Online Status: Offline Posts: 539 |
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There was an article on safety/rescue boats recently (I think it was in y&y, but might have been DSM) which did make a distinction between safety and rescue. I don't think it was from a legal perspective, but that a safety boat is there to ensure those sailing (but not their equipment) are safe, whereas a rescue boat will intervene in less serious incidents in which safety is not at risk. |
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Stefan Lloyd ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 03 Aug 04 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1599 |
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Thanks for the information but Contender 541's remarks were aimed at lawyers so I'd like to understand what legal sources he is drawing on.
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I doubt very much that there is a legal distinction between the two (I wait to be corrected) in which case it is semantics... from which you can draw comfort or feed your paranoia depending on your character. I personally don't think the UK will ever get to the same point of litigation as the US because A, we're too cynical and B, we've seen it happen elsewhere and have mostly guarded against it. |
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600 732, will call it Sticks and Stones when i get round to it.
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Contender 541 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 05 Dec 05 Location: Burton on Trent Online Status: Offline Posts: 1402 |
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Time to come clean then...... Just the logical end to an extension of an arguement. To be honest i cannot be bothered to go trawling for that sort of thing, but I would expect that somwhere and at some time etc.
Just to throw some petrol on the fire though ? Why does the RYA advise the use of the word safety instead of rescue ? Only heresay, not seen the actual wording myself so perhaps I imagined that. |
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