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    Posted: 11 Dec 08 at 11:08am
Originally posted by winging it

Absolutely right Dan.  And as an instructor trying to
encourage the people I teach to carry on sailing after level 2, I worry that
they will buy something unstable and unsuitable because that's what's
marketed hardest, get defeated and give up.


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I've just realised I've wasted almost an entire morning grumpf baiting.....I need to go and pack...
the same, but different...

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After seeing the long board racing at the club and compared to the quality of the dinghy racing at the club i have come to the conclusion that the windsurfers are far more competitive between themselves than the dinghy sailors are by a long shot, i know this is only at HSSC but i can see where graham is coming from and underneath all the attitude he is right.. there are a select few people that do well in each of the sports either in both and seperately but this is only acheived through much blood sweat and tears and having the attitude that says "i will do anything to win" which many people dont have ,Graham does, i certainly dont have that attitude but i do like friendly competition.
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Originally posted by G.R.F.

[QUOTE=turnturtle] Paul Goodison on a board... 'handy' springs to mind:

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Stacked springs to my mind..


And since when does freestylee short board antics qualify you as a good
racer.

He'd still be toast.

Waiting to be battered,

Battering: Grumpf, you've just shot yourself with your own argument. Conceptually, Dinghy racing = Windsurf racing. Goodison, I think we'll agree is a good racer. He can plainly handle a windsurfer, therefore you're not only toast, but the Glasgae deep fried variety.    

PS. The Doug Lord reference earlier was WAY out of line. You're entertaining. He's not.

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I've never crossed swords with the man, he strikes me as being
misunderstood (Doug Lord that is). But getting back to my man Gods son
and the challenge, I notice none of you have given me a prayer of taking
him in his Laser.

Now given that such a competition would have to take place in Lightwinds
since he's unlikely to be able to pilot a Long Course Board in anything
over a three and surely a Laser is weight sensitive dont you think I have a
prayer?
I've only ever sailed one once out of boredom at some Turkish Mark
Warner place, just to wind them up by winning their end of week beginner
championship by just the two legs, never having so much as climbed into
one before...They aint exactly Rocket Science are they?

But now lets just talk about what our man would have to cope with.

The Racing Sailboard.
The rig has two controls, the downhaul which can be made adjustable (if
you have the balance to let go with one hand and reach down to pull on
what y'all would call a Cunningham with the other all whilst balancing
and still rocking along at a fair old lick at times. The downhaul controls
the amount of twist in the head of the sail, the harder you pull the more
the mast bends this introduces the pre defined mismatch with that cut in
the luff curve of the sail and the head twists off.
The other is the outhaul control basically two position, in for upwind
flattening the sail and out for offwind bagging it out a bit.

Another control is the sliding mast track which is about half a metre in
length to allow the mast to slide all the way forward for upwind work it
increases the waterline length, it allows the foot of the sail to close down
on the board thereby inducing what used to be called end plate effect
which even more effective if the board is heeled onto its lee rail which
also induces foiling lift from the centreboard and has to be carefully
balanced by sheeting application not to go to far, it's a technique you can
perfect after a couple of years or so..

Then there's the bear off and reach procedure as you round the windward
mark you kick the plate back then press the pedal at the end of the mast
track and with a lifting action pull the rig all the way back, this raises the
height of the rig the Cof R comes right back so you are sailing off just the
fin (It's a bit at the back like a rudder but doesn't move) you then stand
further back to get into the rear most straps and hook in and hold on..

Easy even a Gold Medal laser Sailor could do it -   NOT, at least not for a
couple of years, so letting him off with the Kona would make it easy.

And what have I got to do?

Sit in a plastic bath with a bit of old sail cloth and waggle a stick thing?

Piece of cake.

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Originally posted by G.R.F.

And what have I got to do?

Sit in a plastic bath with a bit of old sail cloth and waggle a stick thing?

Piece of cake.

Why not have an easy warm up to winning in Lasers by coming over to Westbere for some Laser racing; it's a tight gravel pit with flukey breezes ... I'm sure it would be right up your street; I am sure I could arrange a loan boat for you ... let me know if you fancy a go; it's not far for you to drive.

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I shouldn't book the loan boat Rick! Grumpf is a Sailing God - he's told us enough times so it must be true - and as such the following fundamental laws apply:

1) it would be an affront to his dignity should he ever be required to prove his ability

2) He is a God of competittive sailing, and therefore does not have to actually do it.

3) Given that he is a God, if he should be unable to sail a particular class it naturally follows that it is impossible to sail.

4) His status as Sailing God means, of course, that anything he says immediately becomes the truth. Whatever your experience of dinghy sailing, or - whisper it - common sense might tell you, forget it. Grumpf knows all - RESISTANCE IS FUTILE!!

Grumpf - the great thing about competitive sport is that talk is cheap, and that's all you got where dinghies are concerned. Go to Westbere and show Rick how it's done. If you were to front up, win or lose, I for one would have more time for you. Not that you care cos you are a Sailing God.

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why is this such an angry forum all of a sudden ??

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Post Options Post Options   Quote hollandsd Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Dec 08 at 7:10pm
people have lost their sence of humour, as i said on another topic, the credit crunch doesent just affect money it hits humour too, seems to be in short supply. WE NEED MORE OF BIGWAVEDAVE....
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No anger in that post at all. Wrote it purely for my own amusement. I've been around competitive sport at International level for around 30 years now, and come across many GRF's. They all had one thing in common - they wouldn't, or couldn't, walk the talk.

Over to you Grumpf...

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