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G.R.F. ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 10 Aug 08 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 4028 |
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Kona
Here it is International Class Racing for way less than two grand. All you have to do is learn to do it standing up. But then again lot's of y'all are standing up in a trapezey sort of way anyhow. The main difference then is the Kona has been clocked at 34 kts. |
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Noah ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 29 Dec 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 611 |
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You gotta hand it to the old fella. This place would be a poorer place without his contributions. Almost all Grumpf's posts raise a laugh in me or a 'here we go again'.
Go on, tell us. What's the single hander you're selling? (Can't find any reference to dingies on your website... |
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G.R.F. ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 10 Aug 08 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 4028 |
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Well lets just say there can't be many left I haven't experienced other than sexual deviancy which was another reason I came here having heard of Cherub sailing.. ![]() |
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Ah but G.R.F. It's with observation not old age that brings wisdom.... have you observed all of life's little lessons? In fact I think you have seeming as you choose for things to be interesting and spark a bit of fire rather than be "correct" and polite. I think I was the only person who watched Batman Dark Knight and was on the Joker's side! |
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winging it ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 22 Mar 07 Online Status: Offline Posts: 3958 |
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Unfortunately I find myself agreeing with him.....damn! I must be old too!
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the same, but different...
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G.R.F. ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 10 Aug 08 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 4028 |
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Well only 1/3rd of any start line get any chance if the truth were known,
but that wasn't my point, the point was that sailing a board isn't any different from sailing a boat. The only thing that differs is the 'handling' mechanics. The rest is identical. Naturally in any 'banter' environment (note this thread is in the banter section) we are each going to proclaim the superiority of our chosen class, I can't even remember what prompted me to post this in any event, probably because I got wound up elsewhere. Now the truth is I'm way past the age that I'd want, need, or am remotely interested in, 'proving' myself to anyone, so going on a campaign to do that is very very unlikely. It was pointing that out elsewhere to illustrate what different folk want from their sailing that bought this cafuffle and apparent 'bragging' about. I happen to believe that 'back then' dinghy or sailboard it was more difficult to consistently succeed than it is in a lot of classes that exist today, it's an opinion, I was there back then, a lot of you were not and since we don't have access to a time machine it can never be proven. Fundamentally though if I'm on any crusade at all, it's that if someone with my skills, past history, struggles to sail what's on offer, then there is little hope for the rest of the world and if there is to be a better future, something needs to alter before its too late. Now as to having my ass kicked, it happens fairly regularly these days thanks, but that doesn't mean there wasn't a time when no-one could have come close to seeing it, never mind kicking it and that experience remains mine to cherish. How to do it I'm always happy to pass on if asked and use it to bolster others self confidence by ironic application in extreme where necessary. What does wind me up though is that in order to have any credibility placed in ones opinion it is necessary to be a front runner, when in reality the folk who create the majority of the market are us beginners to mid fleet types, yet our views are ignored, by the charge being lead from the front as the demand for ever increasingly unstable craft bolster other fragile egos in the pursuit of what? Light wind boatspeed? Certainly nothing I recognize as the real joy of sailing. Tearing down a windy reach up and down and in and out of the troughs with twenty odd knots up your backside and your mortal foe in hot pursuit.. Board Boat it matters not, it's just the joy of the chase, I'm here to glean all your experiences and learn from them and like I said I'm happy enough to pass on mine if you want to hear them, you just have to accept i'm much older than most of y'all and with that comes a collection of more experience and if that comes across as arrogance well so be it.. Us Old Folk have earned the right.. |
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winging it ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 22 Mar 07 Online Status: Offline Posts: 3958 |
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Grumpft, there are so many flaws in your argument it would take me all day to point them out....
But I think your most major crime is confusing quantity with quality. So what if there were 100s of people on your start line - 100s of them may well have been crap! With regard to the training/reading/mile long beats stuff, well I did all that too - in the Olympic classes, but the quality there was such that it was rare to ever win anything even though numbers on the start line were really quite small. What you're saying is that you trained for ages, read loads, got fit etc and then beat some dinghy sailors who hadn't done all that stuff - no surprise there really is there? But who's to say that had some of them done all the training you did, they would not have kicked your ass? I think we all know that in any sport/activity, success comes from 99% perspiration, 1% inspiration - I guess you just sweated more than most! (as did I, but I don't brag about it ![]() Lots of love XXX |
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the same, but different...
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Go on then show us what you can do ... borrow an RS200 or Laser Radial, they should suit your stature and are fairly easy to handle; winning is all in the stratergy & tactics ... enter the nationals and show us your skill. |
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G.R.F. ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 10 Aug 08 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 4028 |
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Nah, that would be no fun at all.
Let y'all take yourselves seriously? Sorry, no chance. I prefer it this way. Heaven help y'all if I do go win something sitting down Better get your prayer mats out, pray it never happens... ![]() And talking of fads, that fad lasted a lot longer than the one your riding is ever likely to. ![]() Oh and just to underline that, I sell a One Design Single hander, it's only been around two or three years, not that big here yet, but registered helms worldwide? Over 1000. Annual Sales here 50 units p.a last two years, fad it may be but it's still a bigger fad than Musto Riding. Edited by G.R.F. |
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Grumps, It must have been great to have been part of the windsurfing fad, I am sure there are lots of things that we can learn from other sports; if you could just drop the "we're better than you stuff" then your input would be so much easier to digest. You may be a good windsurfer but that dosn't mean you'll automatically be a good dinghy sailor just as some of the dinghy sailors who dabbled with windsurfers failed. |
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