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AlexM ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 10 Jan 06 Online Status: Offline Posts: 857 |
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What happened to our fantasy dinghy?
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mike ellis ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 30 Dec 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2339 |
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How about doing some of the winter handicap races with the ASBO then? Then we can all show you how to race a dinghy. |
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600 732, will call it Sticks and Stones when i get round to it.
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G.R.F. ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 10 Aug 08 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 4028 |
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I should have realised mentioning that, even couched in the 'we' context would wind someone up, so you'll have to accept it meant not in arrogance not that I mind coming across as arrogant, but in this context it was meant purely in an illustrative way. I accept for most folk they want 'class racing' which is probably better had in the symmetric boats described but you'll just have to accept for some folk style wins over substance every time. And I'll have you know, windsurfing titles are far more difficult to attain than dinghy titles, ask Geoff Carveth, but at the end of the day it's still sailing and identical in every way, just different handling skills. It's going to really wind you lot up if I go win something innit? ![]() ![]() |
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Villan ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 26 Nov 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1768 |
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Winging it ... Have a look at the Norfolk Punt. Linky.
Awsome boats, my only memory of ever seeing them was from an Oppie on Barton Broad when the sailing base there was owned by Hertfordshire! PY = 926 -> 1059, and can be assymetric or symetric, hiking, single or twin wire, and I think you can have adjustable rigging! Make the RS900 a lighter persons version of that (say, 20 stone and up recomended?) and you would probably be onto a winner! |
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NeilP ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() ![]() Joined: 23 Nov 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 271 |
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Image is a big thing with you isn't it GRF? Something about the "triumph of style over substance" springs to mind. There's nothing wrong with asymmetric kites, racks, prebent rigs etc etc, any more than there's anything wrong with my wanting to sail a boat that has none of those things. If you want to talk about "kewell", I really don't think it's very "kewell" to bang on about your past achievements in a completely different sport. I could do that but I won't because it's irrelevant. I don't have a beard, I don't drive a Morris Traveller and I don't wear yellow wellies, but if the FD class rules said I had to, it would probably be worth sacrificing my "kewell" in your eyes to sail a great boat and compete(ish!) with some of the best dinghy sailors in the world. Back on topic, I've already got my fantasy boat so I'll bow out of this discussion now... |
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No FD? No Comment!
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winging it ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 22 Mar 07 Online Status: Offline Posts: 3958 |
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But you don't have dinghy sailing national titles do you? Had you chosen to go into a class where there was decent competition you would have found yourselves pretty much at the back, despite your windsurfing titles, simply because you don't know enough about sailing a dinghy.
If you did, you wouldn't even consider a 470 because you would know you were the wrong weight, you wouldn't make the basic mistake of oversheeting the jib and choking the slot (sorry, but I read your Sheppey article) and you wouldn't find gybing an assymetric even slightly difficult, because compared to a symmetric boat it's a piece of puss. If you spent some time sailing a very decent boat like a 5oh it would really sharpen up your sailing, bring down your arrogance level and you might actually learn something! ![]() For my part, a fantasy dinghy would have a symmetric kite, a very tweakable rig and a twin trap. The only problem is, I tend to think such a thing might look quite ugly. Does a boat like this already exist, or are all the twin trap boats also assymmetric? Edited by winging it |
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the same, but different...
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G.R.F. ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 10 Aug 08 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 4028 |
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Look, Symmettric boats look like everything I dislike about dinghy sailing..
Old men with beards yellow wellies and morristravellers.. They are not kewell. I shall never ever sail in one voluntarily no more than I would ever buy an Austin A35 again it's part of history, a nice part of history but it's gone now, I've moved on. The only reason I even gave sit down sailing a go was because the MPS looked vaguely exciting and probably the only reason It stuck was because it defeated me. Then the whole sailing with someone else thing took hold and it's that bit I really enjoy, the banter, overcoming our idiocy, shared success, shared failure, but seriously we could have gone down the 470 route, there would have been great class racing in our club had we done so, but what is the point, to prove what? we're good racers? Between us we've got more National Titles than you can shake a stick at, and we've sailed by far the most competitive one design fleet there ever was, that's not what we're doing it for, it's new experiences we're seeking. We've had such a ball with this new Alto boat thing and it's taken us to another whole different level when we get it right. |
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NeilP ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() ![]() Joined: 23 Nov 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 271 |
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What makes you think sailing an older, symmetric class is staying in a timewarp? A 5oh or an FD will get you round a racetrack at least as fast as any single-wire assy, and has a rig that is far more sophisticated and tuneable. Yes, you need some skills to do it, but surely that's half the fun? What do you need an Alto for when a 5oh will do the job better and challenge you more. For those people who can use a proper kite, the Alto, RS500 etc are the answer to a question they're not asking. That's why the 5oh fleet isn't interested - not because they're luddites, but because their boat is so much more interesting and rewarding.
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......and they're vastly more versatile, our symmy is great (faster than some assy's) on the hot angles as well as a dead run, very usefull on tight estuaries or creeks. As Noah points out they do require crews with greater dexterity and skill, I'm fortunate in that my crew has both. .....Devils advocate question, do symmy teams stay together longer because they both find their positions in the boat a rewarding challenge?? |
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Rupert ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8956 |
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Strange, isn't it? Reading 1950's sailing magazines and Dinghy Year Book we get exactly the same "too many boats" complaint as we do now...If anyone had listened then, we would have missed out on some cracking boats...
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