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Gladys ![]() Groupie ![]() ![]() Joined: 03 Jan 09 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 92 |
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Has anybody else noticed that Hobie and White Formula (rumored Nacra too), Suddenly start planning new 18 or 20 foot cats after the 1st meeting, maybe they Know something we don't.
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Jon Emmett ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 15 Mar 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 988 |
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Following the meeting of its Executive Board on 10-12th December, the IOC released a number of press statements on various subjects but none on the issue of allocating Events. Our contact with the IOC Press Office also confirmed that no statement was made at the press conference and that unless any special action is taken, there will be no comment on any negotiations with any of the various sports. Unlike ISAF, the IOC agendas are not public documents, so it is not possible even to confirm if our petition was discussed. However IOC has confirmed that the final announcement of Events for all sports in the 2012 Games will be made at its 15-16th June meeting. As the ISAF Mid-Year meeting takes place in May without knowing the outcome, this means that Council will have to make contingency plans. As Petersson said "In case of a subsequent positive decision by the IOC, we may have to make a decision on both an 11th event and class in the Mid-Year Meetings in May next year in order to be able to give our sailors as much time as possible to prepare – the Annual Conference in November, in my opinion, will be too late. What are the chances for an 11th medal? It is very difficult to judge but I would say we have given it our best." Fortunately he will have another chance to promote our cause at the IOC Executive Board's 22nd-27th March meeting, because that is when ISAF is due for its regular IOC review. When he does, he will have valuable new ammunition because sailing has gone up in estimation within the IOC. It was recently awarded "best TV coverage of the Games" which is amazing. And it was number 3 watched sport in the UK. The spectacular Tornado medal race will undoubtedly have contributed to that. So all this gives sailing some more weight at the negotiation table to retain the 11th medal. The rumours are encouraging, but they are of course just rumours, so we will have to continue to be patient and wish Goran Peterrson good luck in arguing our case next year. Meanwhile we now have the independent International Multihull Council http://www.multihullcouncil.org and a Multihull Commission at ISAF to lobby at the May meeting for the contingency plan to be a multihull Event and for some form of international racing circuit to represent the pinnacle of our sport - irrespective of the 11th Medal decision. On other matters, it was too short notice to include a multihull event in Melbourne, but discussions are continuing about World Cup regattas elsewhere, and the International Dart Association has asked for a correction to our last email, namely that Brian Phipps (GBR) also represents youth development, rather than Darts, on the Multihull Commission. Best wishes for successful sailing in 2009 and thank you again for your support. We will keep you informed. |
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Thank you to everyone who joined the petition to the IOC requesting an 11th Event for Multihulls. The IOC replied to us that the request should be made formally through ISAF and it has now done so – because of the very large numbers of people who care about our sailing discipline. You made that happen, so thank you again. Read on for details of the multihull matters discussed at ISAF’s recent Annual Conference in Madrid. Verdict: Headlines - IMC application for Affiliate membership turned
down because ISAF now has its own Multihull Commission - Top-level multihull circuit under discussion, possibly alongside new ISAF World Cup, where possible. Sail Melbourne (December 16-21) is already planning to include F18. See www.sailmelbourne.com.au - Multihull sailors may have to wait months for an IOC decision on any 11th Event, because it is contingent on inter-linked issues with other existing or possibly even new sports. - If 11th Event, there is no guarantee that it will be multihull. Council’s decision for Women’s 470 rather than 29er XX is tactically good news but fundamentally disappointing. Friday 7th November - Multihull Commission (Open) From John Williams, Chairman of US Multihull
Council Other things that were under discussion; the Commission is recommending that the Executive not support the submission from Yachting Australia to drop the SL16 as an eligible boat for use in the ISAF Youth Worlds. We also got some reassurance that the multihull event will remain in the Youth Worlds for the forseeable future. The Commission came out in favor of the various Five Discipline submissions, and is urging the Exec to make a decision sooner than later to allow the evaluation of a Women's platform. There is some indication that those submissions will be pushed off until 2011 since they all deal with the 2016 Games.” Comment: ISAF wound up its Multihull Committee in 2004. The new Commission is chaired by Paul Pascoe (AUS), who is also the President of the International Multihull Council. While the previous Committee represented specific classes, the new members were chosen for their expertise and range of multihull interests. They include Carolijn Brouwer (ITA + BEL), Olivier Bouvyn* (F18 + FRA), David Brookes (Hobie + AUS), Santiago Lange* (ITA + ARG), Brian Phipps (Dart + UK) and Roka Sandor* (F18 + HUN). (* absent). The Minutes should be published before Christmas. Saturday 8th November – Executive Meeting (Closed) From Paul Pascoe, President of IMC, Chairman of ISAF
Multihull Commission Full Members of IMC are the international A Class, Formula 18, Dart 18, Hobie, Nacra and Tornado Associations together with the national multihull organisations of Australia, Netherlands, United States and United Kingdom. Manufacturers who are Affiliated Members include Performance Catamarans (Nacra), Australian High Performance Catamarans (Capricorn), Hobie Cat Europe, Hobie Cat USA and Hobie Cat Australasia. Other Affiliated Members include Asociacion Deportiva de Catamaranes Espana, Hungarian Catamaran Association, Irish Multihull Association, Agrupación Argentina de Catamaranes F18 Argentina, AM2 Classe (Suisse), Australian Paper Tiger Association, Hurricane Class Association (UK), Formula 16 Association, L’ Association Francaise de Formule 18, New Zealand Paper Tiger Association, Shadow Class Association (UK) and Sprint 15 Association (UK). Wednesday 12th November – Events Committee (Open) From Rod Carr, CEO Royal Yachting Association
From Lennie on www.catsailor.com 4) ISAF then need to decide what class to choose. The decisions on points 3) & 4) will not be made until the May meeting at the earliest. Given that this means that it will be only a bit over 3 years till the Olympics, it is unlikely that ISAF would risk a new boat, and the Tornado would be most likely to be selected. The one area where it could come unstuck is awarding the discipline to the multihull. Whichever of the two Women's double handed boats lose the vote (any minute now), you could reasonably expect that if the 11th medal is back on the table, then they would try to get it allocated to their boat.” Comment: Decisions about which sports take part in the Games are made by the full International Olympic Committee. This meets annually, next on 3/10/2009. Baseball, golf, karate, roller sports, rugby, softball and squash have applied for two possible slots, but this does not affect 2012 because it only applies to subsequent Games. Baseball and softball were voted off the 2012 programme three years ago, and the other five failed to gather enough support for inclusion. Decisions about Events for 2012 are delegated to the Executive Committee. That meets quarterly, next on 10-12th December, 22-27th March, 15-16th June and 13-14th August. The Executive may commission reports from the Olympic Programme Commission if it needs additional research. Supported with a report on racing sailboat statistics provided by UKCRA, ISAF has provided the Commission with the necessary information in time for the IOC Executive to discuss this issue in December. However an early decision is by no means assured because it may depend on inter-linked issues for other existing sports (e.g. similar requests from other sports, numbers of medals per sportsman), or conceivably even new sports (how many medals for the new sports, if any). There will be an IOC Press Release after the December meeting. Note: Australia’s submission number 082-08 to set up a new Olympic Commission was approved so the all other submissions recommended by the Multihull Commission were deferred. Thursday 13th November – World Cup Organisers Meeting (Closed) From Will Howden, Tornado Representative on ISAF
Athlete’s Commission Friday 14th November – ISAF Council Meeting (Open) From Andy Rice, Editor of www.sailjuice.com
The earliest that women will now be able to compete for a medal in a modern high performance skiff is the 2016 Games, which would mean the women got their high performance boat 16 years after the men got theirs, the 49er having first appeared in Sydney 2000. It's a sad indictment of the inherent conservatism and lack of vision of ISAF's top table. Remember that ISAF Council can't even take credit for the 49er's inclusion. That was the then-President of ISAF, the maverick Paul Henderson, who railroaded the 49er past the selection process. Sometimes dictatorship gets better results than democracy.” From Lennie on www.catsailor.com From Simon Morgan, Chairman Wildwind Holidays
Comment: Any great tragedy starts out from the best of motives - in this case the creation of one design classes to make sailing a popular rather than exclusive sport. However half a century later this has created an entrenched network of vested interests in out-of-date equipment. Now we have seen 29er tread the same path as multihull, it is clear that the issue is not multihulls but ISAF. Sailing uses equipment designed 8 year ago, as well as 12, 34, 52 and 97 years ago, while other sports use state of the art equipment. This will clearly be an issue for the Olympic Commission, which also made it through Council, but what hope is there that a future Council will listen to a mere Commission, when it is not prepared to take the advice of three expert Committees – even after the most public controversy in its history? Regards |
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Catsrule ![]() Groupie ![]() ![]() Joined: 10 Mar 08 Online Status: Offline Posts: 61 |
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The tornado is the best choice at the minute |
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There's no such thing as bad day on the water!!
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Jon Emmett ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 15 Mar 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 988 |
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Breakdown of relative costs of a four year campaign may be found here: link |
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Jon Emmett ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 15 Mar 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 988 |
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So maybe a one design Tornado is the obvious choice...
http://www.tornado.org/ |
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Catsrule ![]() Groupie ![]() ![]() Joined: 10 Mar 08 Online Status: Offline Posts: 61 |
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We don't want it to be the f18 as it will kill the class off, which would be bloody annoying. If it became the olympic class amuters wouldn't be able to get in the top 30 unlike at the minute where amueters have won won the worlds (hyeres 2006) Quite frankly the hobie 16 is a crap boat, its not a racing boat, never was, never will be. |
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Jon Emmett ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 15 Mar 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 988 |
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Although at the moment there does not appear to be any "evidence" it now appears a lot of people believe Cats are likely to be in the 2012 games.
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TornadoSail2012 ![]() Newbie ![]() ![]() Joined: 03 Oct 07 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Posts: 39 |
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Going back to the cost of the Tornado. What is left out of this arguement is the lifespan of the platform, the operating expenses and the maintainance costs. The Tornado over one Olympic cycle is relatively affordable throughout a complete Olympic cycle. For those who do two campaigns in the same class of boat, the Tornado becomes one of the lesser expensive platforms. Lifespan versus replacement costs of the lower tier boats. My Tornado had a competitive lifespan of 3 Olympic cycles. Had I raced it harder, I may have had to replace it, but I was not striving for tthe Olympics.
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Jeremy Evans ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 21 Jan 07 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2 |
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Just to set the record straight.
1. The Tornado was designed by Rodney March in 1967 and features his classic bows which also feature on the Dart 18 and Sprint 15. The last racing class to be designed in the same style was the Hurricane 5.9, launched in 1987. The Tornado is dated by at least 20 years, when compared to any contemporary cat such as F18 or Extreme 20. 2. Formula 18 has extremely strong international support and a dynamic class association, as reflected in the last 10 world championships. International distribution encompasses Europe, North and South America, South Africa, Australia and South-East Asia. 3. The Hobie 16 may be anarchic, but its world championship gets closest to the Olympic ideal of close, fair, easily accessible competition for everyone. |
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