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    Posted: 18 Aug 06 at 9:09am
Originally posted by MainlySwimming

Getting slightly back to the specific point...does anyone know anything about the new boat. Is the 'spy photo' accurate (or are the foot loops just to carry it around!!).  Will it just be a plastic Stratos, or something more fun?

 

I got the impression from Jo Richards that it would be larger than a Vago, but still fun to sail and in a similiar style. I would expect something more Xenon than Vision or Omega, so not a plastic Stratos.
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Originally posted by Medway Maniac

Taking your point, what's the difference between an old single-skin Rondar GRP Fireball and a new stiff Winder? No more than the difference between rotomould and GRP sandwich, surely? I'd put that difference at 30 PY points at least, probably 40. And you feel it instantly!


The fireball PY has been pretty static over the years. Its dropped 6 points since 1985. If your estimate is correct then an old Fireball - if it were given a brand new rig, and that's a very big diffrence - should be given by clubs a PY of around 1020 - mych slower than a Buzz and in Tasar/Merlin territory. This is also the same adjustment that the Merlin class considers correct for a 1970 boat with all the develpment in between, and suggests that there's something about the Fireball that makes them clap out faster than any other boat in the universe. Are you sure about 40 points?
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Ah, I misinterpreted 'identical' as 'similar'. Thought we were still on the Vago v 500 v 3000 subject, and they are superficially 'similar' in dimensions.

Taking your point, what's the difference between an old single-skin Rondar GRP Fireball and a new stiff Winder? No more than the difference between rotomould and GRP sandwich, surely? I'd put that difference at 30 PY points at least, probably 40. And you feel it instantly!
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Originally posted by Medway Maniac

As one who has sailed and raced both a Vago and a V3000...

Oh come on... I said otherwise identical boats. That means identical mast, identical sails, identical hull shape, identical foils, the lot... The Vago and the 3000 are not anything like that close together. The 3000 is 200mm longer for a start and that makes a huge difference.


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i dont think that picture is of a laser.i think its something else.
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or a really touchy feely helm and crew
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Too big to be a feva clone - though laser's stable lacks one; and they've been refusing to develop a decent 2 handed rig for the pico, which is too small anyway.  Whilst I sure laser's feva will be on the way, surely this beast is a plastic stratos - the stratos is a good family / picnic boat that's great fun on the sea, but its REALLY expensive - perfect rotomould territory.

The toe loops are a mystery though aren't they.  Two close together for twin trap, surely.  Maybe its so one unconfident trapeze artist can put both feet in  ?



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Originally posted by feva_sailor

Originally posted by MainlySwimming

Getting slightly back to the specific point...does anyone know anything about the new boat. Is the 'spy photo' accurate (or are the foot loops just to carry it around!!).  Will it just be a plastic Stratos, or something more fun?


 



as i said i think its going to be similar to a topper vibe or a rs feva.

errr....wouldn't that be a Pico??  And isn't the spy photo (which of course could be something else entirely) a lot bigger than that? 
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Originally posted by JimC

So what's the difference going to be between otherwise identical boats? 5 points of PY number? Maybe 10 points tops? About the same performance difference you'd get from making the hull 3 inches longer...

If you don't want a thermoplastic boat for another reason - ie you don't like the idea, - in the same way that other folk will only have varnished wood boats - then that's fine, but what I'm saying is that when you've made the decision to buy a boat that is in that sort of performance bracket anyway then there's no rational justification for making a small difference in performance a deciding factor.

As one who has sailed and raced both a Vago and a V3000, I can tell you that the difference in performance is a heck of a lot more than you're suggesting. I'm sure that absolute performance will differ by more than you quote, but more important, the quality of the sail is absolutely different. Think Lotus Elise versus MGF (not that I want to slate the MGF, but I don't want to use a boat example and start another class war!)

Try both boats, Jim, and give us your verdict.
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Originally posted by MainlySwimming

Getting slightly back to the specific point...does anyone know anything about the new boat. Is the 'spy photo' accurate (or are the foot loops just to carry it around!!).  Will it just be a plastic Stratos, or something more fun?


 



as i said i think its going to be similar to a topper vibe or a rs feva.
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