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    Posted: 11 Aug 06 at 12:14pm

Being able to hoist the entire sail with just one big pull was quite a difference from the 33sqm masthead asy on my 14

It's lucky the 470 was so stable, symmetrical kites on a really tippy boat (cherub, 14 etc) must be a total nightmare.
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Originally posted by m_liddell

symmetrical kites on a really tippy boat (cherub, 14 etc) must be a total nightmare.


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If your class rules allow it try a flying pole on a symetric. On our Javelin (sailed on a small pond) I,as a little old man had great trouble clipping the pole onto the mast with 15 sm of kite flogging on the other end, so I converted it. Much quicker. We sold the "Jav" and now have a Taser so we dont have to bother with all that nonsense.
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small ponds are where symetrical spinnakers rule, as the wind bends through the trees you can sail your best course to the next mark without worrying about gybing angles in the same way you need to with an assy
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Originally posted by redback

Let's face it the symetrical kite does not increase the speed much unless you sail high enough that the pole has to be against the forestay.  So you might as well use an asymetric and sail a boat which is optimised for one.

There speaks someone who has never seen a Javelin or 505 on a dead run in a blow.

 
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Originally posted by fizzicist

Originally posted by redback

Let's face it the symetrical kite does not increase the speed much unless you sail high enough that the pole has to be against the forestay.  So you might as well use an asymetric and sail a boat which is optimised for one.

There speaks someone who has never seen a Javelin or 505 on a dead run in a blow.



As more evidence here's another Cherub archive pic. In this one, as you can tell from the shadow, the pole is a couple of feet off the forestay...



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Originally posted by getafix

small ponds are where symetrical spinnakers rule


Syms are even better for narrow rivers.
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Also for the kind of tidal waters where you often want to run deep just off the beach to keep out of the current. All that gybing in and out with an asymetric, not good. Salcombe, Cowes, Burnham are the sort of places that is an important factor.
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And whilst we're on the subject, just a quick reminder that the SGP is on the 7th and 8th October, at Queen Mary.... 


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the Scorpion open at Notts county is on the 7th and 8th too... buy one and be there! 
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