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    Posted: 08 Aug 06 at 7:43am
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Following on from fellow Hythe shingle jockey Graemef, what's the gen concensus on the Vago. Looking to change from Supernova to 2 hander for me and competant 9 year old son (happily trapezing in a 420 in F3+). Good performance but not too scary. L3000 ok but seems a bit slow in lighter conditions and cramped. Vago ideal on paper - robust and progressive rig but reviews vary from crap to fantastic. Buzz/RS500 possibly?

Ask your son what he wants ... because if you get it wrong he won't want to sail it ...

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Originally posted by Guest#260

Originally posted by jspeakman

Following on from fellow Hythe shingle jockey Graemef, what's the gen concensus on the Vago. Looking to change from Supernova to 2 hander for me and competant 9 year old son (happily trapezing in a 420 in F3+). Good performance but not too scary. L3000 ok but seems a bit slow in lighter conditions and cramped. Vago ideal on paper - robust and progressive rig but reviews vary from crap to fantastic. Buzz/RS500 possibly?

Ask your son what he wants ... because if you get it wrong he won't want to sail it ...

He wants an ISO - a tad ambitious at 9yrs, an L3K seems an acceptable compromise

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Originally posted by jspeakman

Following on from fellow Hythe shingle jockey Graemef, what's the gen concensus on the Vago. Looking to change from Supernova to 2 hander for me and competant 9 year old son (happily trapezing in a 420 in F3+). Good performance but not too scary. L3000 ok but seems a bit slow in lighter conditions and cramped. Vago ideal on paper - robust and progressive rig but reviews vary from crap to fantastic. Buzz/RS500 possibly?

Lots of threads on this - including earlier posts in this thread.  Ask Sumo, who has one and likes it, for a positive angle.  Everyone else thinks it probably sucks - though few of us have actually sailed it!

It's heavy (85kg hull), the sail area is not huge (similar to a 3000) and the rig is basic.  Less cramped than a 3k perhaps, but more cluttered inside.  If you can afford an RS500, also look at the latest 3000 variant (V3000) and the 29er - which is NOT slow.

I bought the Vago because it offered the option of sailing single handed and at the time, last summer, it offered a good route for improving my sailing having come to sailing late in my life. The Vago is heavier than a GRP boat, but not by a huge margin, yes it has low rig tension, but the rig is designed with that in mind, also like the 3000 it sticks in light winds, but when the wind is up and it gets on the plane it is just plain fun and that is why I like it. I have a new novice crew for which the Vago is an ideal training boat.I wouldn't suggest Grame buys a Vago as it would stick in the light stuff just like the 3000. If I was buying a boat today I wouldn't buy the Vago or the RS500 indeed I have put my money where my mouth is and bought a 59er. (I've still got the Vago and intend to keep it for now).

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Originally posted by jspeakman

[QUOTE=Guest#260][QUOTE=jspeakman]

He wants an ISO - a tad ambitious at 9yrs, an L3K seems an acceptable compromise

If your son is determined to sail an ISO, get a buzz to start with as it is like a mini iso. But look at the vago and 500 too.

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Graeme -  I'd just like to thank you for one of the most entertaining threads for ages. Your acerbic wit might not be to everyones tastes (at least those on the receiving end) but a lot of it reflects what some of us dare not say! I do know you 'of old' but had forgotten just how entertaining you could be.I haven't contributed up to now as it seemed to me that the longer the thread went the better it got so I'm sort of dissapointed you've made a decision although I think it's probably the only one that fit your criteria.

So who is your 85kg crew - please tell me it's Mark Carney - I'd love it if the beanpole had put on that much weight!  On that subject, is the Elliot C that's just won a Bronze medal windsurfing anything to do with Mark?

In one of your earlier posts you said

Originally posted by Graemef


True of 99% of shortboard windsurfers, the ones you see wearing
neoprene boots, but I'm one of the dying breed of windsurfing hard men.

The Racing Longboarder, we eventually will master this sitting down lark,
but there's not a yottie alive could take us on and win a round robin
which included a race on windsurfers. Not even if you dig up Geoff
Carveth, somehow bring him back to life, dust him off, get some
charisma fitted and let him loose on us. He'd still be toast for us to burn -
again.

I'll take you on for that challenge - if you dare.

Actually, an event like that could be a good idea - have several sailors from each discipline - say a couple of dozen? A weekend of races - swapping from boards to boats and back.all with big sponsorship from DaKine!

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Hector hmm I wonder...

Elliot is Marks son, that's the 2nd generation Carney I've had come
through me, Mark was 16 when he first started windsurfing and Elliot is
now 17 and just got his first big pot and very proud we all are.

The Crew, worse than Carney, its Steve Avery, we were out again tonight
and beginning to get that lsr3000 humming, held on to 2nd tonight until
the bloody wind dropped and an RS200 got by us as the wind dropped to
bugger all.

As to that event, a while back we nearly staged a cross bay downwind
classic, see who'd get from the Varne out deep and then back to Hythe,
Kite v Board v Boat, with a lift back booked courtesy of the Hythe Light
Railway, could be a blast.

I have some influence with Dakine as you probably well know.

C'mon who is it?

Only bloke who might stand a cats chance in hell, well he would have
done before he turned soft and lost all his definition, sitting on his chuff
in a Musto, Si Reynolds, but everyone knows he's just a big girl now.
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What's this Graemef - you giving one of the two headed inbreds from Whitstable some respect - you're slipping pal! Yes Si would stand a good chance - if it was in Mustos he'd kick ass - dunno how good he is in 'sit on' dinghies and I'm sadly hazy about his Board talents (age thing).

I guess the Dakine Sailsport Challenge event would be hard to sort - for instance what Raceboard and what dinghy could be used? what format of racing? Would there be handicaps for each class / board or just a first home race?

As for me, you'd have to look a lot further North than Kent to find me.



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6 races 5 to count . 6 different classes 10 of each, to level any differences in a class the competitors from the other dicipline choose there boat/board first. Race format to suit class.

for dinghys Finn as most boardys couldnt pull the sail in, A cat to keep Hector happy but I guess no one will lend one, MPS cos I want to play. formula boards look cool for doors I guess all boards will be sinkers for me.

To make getting the boats/boards easier the races could be at different venues / days where they already have the equipment.

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Total time or just race position?
One step forwards, 2 steps back...
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Sounds like our internal Surf Sales inter rep chllenge this. We have yet to
all turn up on the day, but we had planned a multi sport event kite, wake,
bike, sail (toppers probably cos its the only thing the wakedorks could
contemplate, boards, then just to make sure I win, a ski race.

So, what we'd need I guess is invitees/volunteers from each class with
their kit, knowing they are going to swap it around. (I can imagine the
settings going up the pictures as each crew leaves the relevant bit of kit).

It would probably have to be a rolling swap, otherwise there might not be
any good competition in the various classes. Or the whole party travels
from event to event using whatever local kit is to hand, and applying
handicaps to get a result. That falls down because boards don't have a
rating.

Where we'd get cats from I've no idea, I suppose we could contact our
local special needs facility, be no good anyone else, they'd never find the
venue.
Do cats compete even? I mean how do they get from place to place, can
cat sailors even drive? How would they know which way to go when they
got there, don't tell me some of them can read now.

This idea needs working on it could be a blast, you'll all lose to
windsurfers, but its time y'all were set in your place.

Here's how you spell it.

L   O S E R S

I'll get the T shirts printed ready for y'all.

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