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    Posted: 02 Aug 06 at 1:48pm
I would stick a self tacking jib on it. (I have multi-tasking issues when single handing).  It does look great IMHO.
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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Granted the boat in the photograph looks ok but it is NOT a good boat. the word lightweight in the description is quite frankly hilarious.... It's not even lightweight compared to a wayfarer! The open deck is quite a nice feature but it is very awkward unless you are trapezing as you never really feel attached. I sailed this boat in a solid force 5 and we got it planing once! It's a barge.
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No you don't understand Tim.  I sail an Osprey so this is a baby  .  I could pick it up with one arm.


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Now that I would like to see Pierre.....
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It went for £500.  Someone got a lot of boat for very little money.

This does prompt a good question.....

Was someone in the right place at the right time and got a bargain or is the cost of 2nd hand boats in general coming down??



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Secondhand boat prices aren't coming down.... I'd say they are pretty stable
in most healthy classes.

it went for £500 because it's a Bell Flyer! with no association, fleet racing
e.t.c... e.t.c....
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The bell flyer is NOT a bargain for any money. I have sailed the boat in question a number of times and didn't find it enjoyable at all! The best thing about it is the shiny combi!!
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Nice shiny combi - £300

The flyer must be £200 - you could not buy the deck fittings for that let alone the running gear or mast and standing rigging

I say again, someone got a bargain - even if they only strip it out and put the bits on a fitting eating development class.......

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The Bell flyer was let down because the spinny pole was too flexible, the sail was more expensive, the optimum weight was low and you had to make it yourself.

It is sad that people don't make their own boats, but these days building/buying the hull is the smallest part of the boating exercise. As was pointed out my Mr Contender, the trailer is the most expensive thing, closely followed by some decent cleats and string. Next is sails, then mast which is about the same as the petrol to drive it to a club.........

The shape looks OK if a little small. What I think Bell (if they were still in business) should do is sell the wood shapes with a frame to be tacked together with pins. Then include in the kit carbon mat and epoxy to 'mould your own flyer'.

On Bells part it may also have been a miss reading of the market. The market at that time wanted speed (or the persception of it at least) for sure, but it is cost and the notion that 'you pay your money and have the top kit'..... all in one, the package that can take you to the top - no more cheque book sailing. A laudable notion when you think back.

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Hi people,

I am a bell flyer sailor from the Netherlands, see below. I find this boat to be very competetive.. A Buzz is no match for me.. All the stories i read about that the weight is too heavy... This boat planes with two persons (total weight 130 kg) from a light windforce 3. In strong winds the boat really flies like hell but is still really manageble. The total weigt of my boat is really +/- 100 kg sail ready.

The gennaker pole seems to be thin, but in strongwinds like 6, the only thing the pole does is bend...not break. The boat gains so much speed that the sideforce of the gennaker on the pole is not so big...

The deck where you sit on, is not so comfortable because you sit on it, and not in it. But you may trie to sit on a 49er comfortable but on your butt, and you can go swimming...This is not the case with the flyer.

The main is a good quality sail which can be trimmed very well.

I found it to be a very attractive boat wich can be sailed very competetive.

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