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jeffers ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 29 Mar 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 3048 |
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Dics You are missing the point here. Whilst YOU (and a limited number of others) might want a Blaze with a kite (and there is nothing stopping you buying one and putting a kite on it) the majority (almost unanimously at the AGM where it was last discussed) voted no. Try sailing one in a good breeze you do not want or need a kite, the boat flies without it! As for the 'Fat boy Blaze' there is a gap. Phantoms are like hens teeth and to get a good one you are looking at spending upwards of £4.5k for a competitive boat plus they are still a huge handful when it gets breezy (needing stupid amounts of vang and rake upwind and needing to let the vang off each time you tack). You can pick up a good Mk 1 Blaze for around £1,500 then just buy the bigger rig (probably around £1k). Having sailed a Blaze for 2 years I loved the boat but had to give it up for personal reasons. At some point in the future I will step back in to one. Were the class to adopt an assymetric I probably would not. |
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Merlinboy ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 03 Jul 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 3169 |
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Sounds liek a bit of an arms race to me Chew? I like the idea of buying a new boat and it not been out classed for its life in my ownership. Been there done that with the 14.
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Philsy ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 344 |
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How would such a boat be different to your Vareo? |
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hollandsd ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Oct 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 853 |
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its a good idea i think to have a multi design class, each boat could have a handicap within the class depending on its design era and then as the new boats get faster you could change the handicap so they are on par witht the older designs? then each boat could have a seperate handiap for handicap racing and the older designs would be as competitive in the racing as new ones?
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G.R.F. ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 10 Aug 08 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 4028 |
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That's pretty much what drove the windsurf racing model over the years. A restricted class to certain measurements with sail and board builders vying for the front of the fleet and jockeys 'assisted' to stay there, it worked up until the point it became 'Unlimited'. |
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Chew my RS ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 05 Oct 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 790 |
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And it seems to work in F18 too. As you say, it is important that the rules remain focused and are not slackened off over they years to gain extra performance at the expense of cost and difficulty.
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Nick Peters ![]() Posting king ![]() Joined: 08 Feb 06 Location: England Online Status: Offline Posts: 192 |
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Phil - James is right - although he is a bit brutal on the Vareo the package is pretty good - we sold 44 last year! But if you want to be quick upwind as well as down - you need less weight, narrower w/l and more leverage.
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getafix ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 28 Mar 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2143 |
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I recall posting on the need for a 'box rule' in a similar thread some time back.... in fairness, I think Mr Peters hits on one of the main issues with this type of boat
"But the downsides to most hiking singlehanders is pace upwind." ....not easily solved without a pretty deep board and a decent high-aspect sail/wing, which then means you need plenty of leverage (e.g wings) to get the whole thing to work.... Getting downwind quick is not as challenging (in terms of developed technologies/techniques) but still presents some issues which designers would need to overcome, not least of which to make something usable across a wide wind range and across a range of water types and sizes... Trimaran singlehander (e.g. Weta) not appealing, as most of us like monohulls and they take up much less space in boat parks as long as the wings 'fold or retract'. Perhaps in a lot of ways, the foiling moth is off on the right path, but it's too tweaky for many mortals and 75Kg+ guys will not be competitive as it is, scaling it up may provide a stop-gap but it's a pig to launch and not too suitable to smaller or confined bits of water as turning corners is not as easy as without the hydrofoils. We have a pool of very decent design and building talent in this country, it would be very exciting to see what they came up with! |
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getafix ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 28 Mar 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2143 |
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ref no.4, to what do you refer? |
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craiggo ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 01 Apr 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1810 |
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James your basically describing an international canoe with wings instead of a sliding seat.
I just cant see any realistic way of making a sensible boat of this type that can hit a PY of 950. Remember your looking for something thats effectively got to be on the pace with a Fireball, Contender or Hornet without its spinnaker, thats one hell of a challenge not only to design but to sail. |
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