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Given the choice I'd choose a fixed rudder, then a dagger and last on the list a lifting rudder. Unless I sailed in a location where I am likley to run aground at sted then lifting is top of the list. |
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G.R.F. ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 10 Aug 08 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 4028 |
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Without doubt the best and fastest all round any condition single hander, a Racing Sailboard, (had I used one Round Sheppey I would have won and probably beaten the cat to the Island record, no question.)is getting to physical for me these days, hence my initial 'retirement' to a Musto Skiff. Now I may be getting on a bit and not firing on all cyclinders, but a Laser? Sailings equivalent to the mobility scooter, nah not just yet thanks. Primarily I enjoy sailing the Alto and have the expense of a new one coming up, but my man doesn't like sailing in the winter, and I need the practice, so I want something that behaves like my Alto, i.e. uses angles downwind and a kite. I was on the verge of the Vario, but have been put off by the bad press, knowing my luck, I'd get TT's two part hulk re glued. A blaze has put in an appearance and not lasted long at the club of dreams as had the 300 and I note along with the two contenders we now boast, they only go out in fair weather to enjoy their period in irons. So there is once more, nothing that fits my particular bill as a buy it and sail it option. It doesn't matter if you have sailed both rudder systems, unless you've sailed off our beach, it's pointless talking about it, just accept that over the years lots of boats that evolved to sea and coastal use went down the path of retracting centreboard and kick up rudder. Modern Skiffyness put paid to all that and sailboats co incidently began dissappearing from the coastal clubs, co incidence or not? Edited by G.R.F. |
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Nick Peters ![]() Posting king ![]() Joined: 08 Feb 06 Location: England Online Status: Offline Posts: 192 |
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Agree with several of the points made about what would be needed in a new boat.. Upwind performance not far off a 300 - around the track sub 100 PY - race fireballs / 400s etc respectably - jim points out the issues of going faster, really narrow on the w/l and loads of leverage: The 300 was really a 14ft magnum 5 - and I would think (although it sounds good to me!) a kite on a 300 style boat might be step too far for any sensible sized market!! Proper high quality racer, probably epoxy, centreboard and lifting rudder. Not too out and out skiffy - wants to be a delight in the light and shifty - like the 300. Mainsheet well forward. At least shrouds and spreaders for downwind, but emulate the upwind look of the 300 - or mabe a lowish forestay for some rig control. Leverage means rubular wings or moulded wings (think EPS, but pretty)- the latter would be really comfortable, but the B14 and Blaze use tubes - are these comfortable enough? 70-95kg sailors - plenty of lightweights boats and Finn, Phantom, Blaze100 above that. Personally I prefer performance equalisation of some sort - wings could slide - or you could have differing size sails - or Iso style detachable wings - 2 groups - the 600 made that work? Above all, has to look great - bit of boat park pride always sends you home with a warm feeling! going back to Ians original post - I do know that Luca Devoti is developing a new singlehander - not seen a piccy, but I'm sure it will be in the public domain soon. Equally it seems there is an appetite for a boat along these lines - I certainly thought so after going down most of a (very wild) run sitting on the wing of my 700 the other day! Mind you not going to hang up my harness any time soon.
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Interesting post Nick ... is this as you personaly saying "there is an appetite" or you as director of LDC? Are we getting a scoop in that you are thinking about filling this gap in the market? |
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Nick Peters ![]() Posting king ![]() Joined: 08 Feb 06 Location: England Online Status: Offline Posts: 192 |
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Always been interested personally - for years while tolley-dollying for the kids I'd jump in the 700 - make a muppet of myself and think I need toestraps and to stay on the side! But the downsides to most hiking singlehanders is pace upwind. Sorry, not meaning to slyly give a "scoop" from RS. We have several times looked at a boat like this - but its a very big step do a new boat these days. Always interested in opinion from this forum - and all keen sailors - it all helps to mould future plans.
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I have sailed off your beach and a number of other steep nasty beaches, there is not doubt it's not a very user friendly place to launch and I admit I'd think twice about launching my MPS off that beach in some of the more unpleasant weather ... I'd get my Laser out on such days; probably with the Radial rig is it was very windy. Just because some craft are not as suitable for you beach dosn't make them design flawed; it just means they are less suitable for your launching area than perhaps other designs. |
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Merlinboy ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 03 Jul 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 3169 |
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Come on Nick, get to that drawing board and sort us all out, i would love to sail something that ticked all those boxes!!
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Chew my RS ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 05 Oct 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 790 |
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This talk of a single handed hiking boat with kite has got me thinking again. There appears to be quite a few manufacturers who seem interested, or have at least identified a potential gap in the market. Rather than making rival products, which reduce potential fleet numbers (e.g. ISO v L4000, MPS v 700), wouldn't it be great if they got together and agreed a general set of parameters for a new class? Lets say 4m long, 1m waterline beam, 1.8m max beam, hull weight 60kg, sail area 8sqm (and 8sqm kite), no carbon in the hull or foils, RRP £7k, built from female moulds. The numbers are made up of the top of my head, but you get the gist. That way, each manufacturer could develop a boat, but it would race within a class, rather than just be a seperate SMOD. I suppose the nearest model to what I'm imagining is the Formula 18 cats. In my opinion the biggest advantages SMODs have is not the (fallacy of a) level playing field, but the ease of purchase and ownership they offer and the fact that they can sacrifice some performance for ease of use. The downsides of a SMOD include the fact that they outdate and can be lacking in refinement. Making updates to a SMOD is a difficult and sometimes unpopular process. So, my thinking is that each manufacturer could launch a SMOD that fits within the basic rules. The sailor would buy their preferred boat and could not then alter it - much like a SMOD. Person A might buy the Cirrus design, person B the RS one and person C the Devoti design. Every two years, on the 1st March (just in time for the Dinghy Show) the manufacturers could release new designs, in the hope of geetting back to the front of the fleet. This would allow the sailors to keep sailing a class that evolves with technology and would allow the manufacturers to keep refreshing their product range - a win/win situation. It would encourage class stalwarts to buy new boats regularly and provide a good source of second hand boats. Could such an idea be workable? Edited by Chew my RS |
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Phil eltringham ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 16 Mar 04 Location: England/Hitchin Online Status: Offline Posts: 1105 |
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That sounds a great idea, the Y&Y forum singlehander. |
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