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G.R.F.
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Topic: Devotti Single HanderPosted: 17 Nov 08 at 9:35pm |
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Well I have to say it's got me thinking about it. |
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Rupert
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Posted: 17 Nov 08 at 9:21pm |
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GRF, if always handicap racing, there is nothing to stop you getting a Blaze and doing the same mods as were done on the boat pictured, if that would give you a great boat for sailing off the beach. From what I've seen and sailed of Blazes inland, they could well be ideal, assuming you could live without a trapeze. Mind you, at approx 10 3/4 stone I felt quite small in a breze even with the one sail.
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hollandsd
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Posted: 17 Nov 08 at 9:16pm |
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how can a plastic cleat go wrong? if it uncleats there should always be enough resistance in the stock to stop it popping up of its own accord, and it will snap or slip if it hits something?
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JimC
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Posted: 17 Nov 08 at 9:14pm |
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Wait until you see the damage when your plastic cleat goes wrong at speed and if the stock or blade doesn't smash you rip the transom apart... Edited by JimC |
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Ian29937
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Posted: 17 Nov 08 at 8:16pm |
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Sorry to disagree with you Paul, but sailing in the Wash (high tidal flow, very shallow shelving beach's), the ability to have some control at all time when launching and recovering is pretty important. The use of a dagger style rudder is a real no-no. On my 700 I've even put on a plastic downhaul cleat to minimise damage if I do get it wrong. Ian RS700 GBR960 |
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Paul B
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Posted: 17 Nov 08 at 8:06pm |
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Well you would say that wouldn't you Rick!!! It wouldn't acutally bother me either way which rudder system a boat had, but it's depth might be more of an issue. The 700 rudder is straight off the 200, so is quite small. Even so I go to great lengths to ensure it doesn't budge an inch once down (use of Herzog rope and lots of wing nut tension), and conseuqently I think if I ran aground at any speed, it would do a fair amount of damage to blade, hull or both. Ultimately, it's hardly a decision making factor in a boat.... |
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blaze720
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Posted: 17 Nov 08 at 5:43pm |
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Mixed messages .... ? Don't see contradiction really - we are not changing the current Blaze unless the CA and vast majority of owners wanted it. It is their CA and Cirrus would be foolish in the extreme to impose change or change the style of racing while they are buying more and more boats. However we are developing a new class, working title is 'Blaze 100' based around the Blaze hull to keep costs and risks to builder and early buyers low - it will not be an equalised Blaze or even be called a Blaze when finished. This allows us to consider a different overall package and that might well mean a second sail - if the target market wants it and more critically is prepared to pay for it. Only trials will tell us for sure. The focus is initially on offering an ultra efficient and highly refined mast'/sail combination and then we will see ... Whatever we do the performance is intended to be higher and it will be optimised towards the heavier helm. We of course do what our current and potential customers want but the standard Blaze is still establishing itself after the change in direction (and builder). It is still untried by the vast majority of helms who race singlehanders for example - something we need to change with the CA. We therefore still have a massive job to do and our business model is based upon lower 'marketing spend' and much more 'word of mouth' and 'try one' - even closer to traditional CA classes than most modern SMOD practice. So if you have not tried one - ask. There is something for everyone out there just about - at least in the UK. Any new offering has to be judged very carefully especially in the current economic environment and not all great ideas make it. If you are interested in what we Cirrus are doing however why not get in direct contact ? We will be running demonstrations / trials in the next few months and do respond to feedback. In summary - If enough want it and are prepared to back 'want' with money it generally gets done so we are always happy to talk as with the group who approached us about a tentative '100' (maybe off the forum though !). However the dinghy market can be a fickle friend and the case for a new variant or SMOD class has to be very convincing and these days perhaps be as applicable beyond the UK. There are one or two niches we are looking at currently ........ Blaze 720 (aka Cirrus) |
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G.R.F.
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Posted: 17 Nov 08 at 5:16pm |
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Like the SI in the 4000 who snapped his centre plate, a very good helm.
sh*t like that just happens in shore dumps. Not to mention the small grit that jams the plate down, or wont let you get the plate down to steer just when you need to foot off to get over the next breaking wave.. |
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G.R.F.
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Posted: 17 Nov 08 at 5:14pm |
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Exactly what he did I gather, then broached sideways, best ask a fellow skiffer you'll believe him whereas you're not likely to take it from us. |
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hollandsd
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Posted: 17 Nov 08 at 5:08pm |
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if you do that then you have no directional controll when a huge wave comes over and tries to spin your boat side on to the waves. you need control when you land, its essential where we sail to get the boat up the beach and out of the surf asap.
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