Devotti Single Hander

Originally posted by Guest#260 Originally posted by hollandsd when u launch with a kick up rudder you are still less likely to destroy it launching then with a dagger style, if you try to launch in surf and youur boat goes backwards onto the beach you can easily flick your ruder to one side and it will come up on a kick up style on a dagger it will just bugger up your transom, then the same for the landing, dagger style means if it sticks you lose your transom, with a kick up style, you will break a pin or  a peice of rope. to me i think replacing a peice of rope or a pin is far easier than a hull. I think you are wrong ...

Rick, seriously, you should come over some time and show us.

Like Doddsy, he's on his 2nd broken mast now, coming ashore I think it
was last time, going back to pull the rudder up before he landed, whilst
riding a short steep dumpy wave...

We dont say this stuff for effect, it's because it's what it is.

I didn't give a perfectly good MPS back because I wanted to make some
sort of stupid point, I did it before I broke it in similar fashion to Charlie
the last time we sailed together and he ran aground.

Nothing we'd love more over in Hythe but to run a fleet of those things,
then come over there and thrash your sorry asses, particularly Reynolds
like we used to in the old windsurf days. How is he by the way? Hopefully
on the mend.

But they simply aint practical beach tools.

ANd even though you might accuse me of not listening, I did and learned
loads off you guys, and seriously no-one tries harder to do stuff than me
and I threw body and soul into mastering that thing for the best part of
two seasons.

So and back on topic given this thread was originally about Devoti and a
rumoured single hander.

Me, 67kgs sailing on the coast, I want what I want, as soon as I see it I'll
buy it, right now the only thing that appears to come close is once again
not available to me, how typically dinghy sailing is that?

Has it occoured to you to get your rudder up before you get into the shore break?

Originally posted by Guest#260 Has it occoured to you to get your rudder up before you get into the shore break?

Exactly what he did I gather, then broached sideways, best ask a fellow
skiffer you'll believe him whereas you're not likely to take it from us.

Mixed messages .... ?

Don't see contradiction really - we are not changing the current Blaze unless the CA and vast majority of owners wanted it.  It is their CA and Cirrus would be foolish in the extreme to impose change or change the style of racing while they are buying more and more boats.  

However we are developing a new class, working title is 'Blaze 100' based around the Blaze hull to keep costs and risks to builder and early buyers low - it will not be an equalised Blaze or even be called a Blaze when finished.  This allows us to consider a different overall package and that might well mean a second sail - if the target market wants it and more critically is prepared to pay for it.  Only trials will tell us for sure.  The focus is initially on offering an ultra efficient and highly refined mast'/sail combination and then we will see ...  Whatever we do the performance is intended to be higher and it will be optimised towards the heavier helm.  

We of course do what our current and potential customers want but the standard Blaze is still establishing itself after the change in direction (and builder).  It is still untried by the vast majority of helms who race singlehanders for example - something we need to change with the CA.  We therefore still have a massive job to do and our business model is based upon lower 'marketing spend' and much more 'word of mouth' and 'try one' - even closer to traditional CA classes than most modern SMOD practice.    So if you have not tried one - ask. 

There is something for everyone out there just about - at least in the UK.  Any new offering has to be judged very carefully especially in the current economic environment and not all great ideas make it.  If you are interested in what we Cirrus are doing however why not get in direct contact ?   We will be running demonstrations / trials in the next few months and do respond to feedback.  

In summary - If enough want it and are prepared to back 'want' with money it generally gets done so we are always happy to talk as with the group who approached us about a tentative '100' (maybe off the forum though !).  However the dinghy market can be a fickle friend and the case for a new variant or SMOD class has to be very convincing and these days perhaps be as applicable beyond the UK.  There are one or two niches we are looking at currently ........

Blaze 720 (aka Cirrus)

Originally posted by Paul B Originally posted by Guest#260 Actually I think launching with a kick up rudder is harder than a dagger rudder. Well you would say that wouldn't you Rick!!! It wouldn't acutally bother me either way which rudder system a boat had, but it's depth might be more of an issue.  The 700 rudder is straight off the 200, so is quite small.  Even so I go to great lengths to ensure it doesn't budge an inch once down (use of Herzog rope and lots of wing nut tension), and conseuqently I think if I ran aground at any speed, it would do a fair amount of damage to blade, hull or both. Ultimately, it's hardly a decision making factor in a boat....

Sorry to disagree with you Paul, but sailing in the Wash (high tidal flow, very shallow shelving beach's), the ability to have some control at all time when launching and recovering is pretty important. The use of a dagger style rudder is a real no-no.  On my 700 I've even put on a plastic downhaul cleat to minimise damage if I do get it wrong.

Ian

RS700 GBR960

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