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    Posted: 17 Nov 08 at 3:53pm

Originally posted by craiggo


How many times have the N12, Graduates, Ents discussed adding spinnakers, the answer is rather a lot, and in all cases the classes have preferred to stick with what they have got, and rightly so. The boat was never designed for a kite and while it might encourage a few outsiders into the class initially, long term it will loose all the original class stalwarts and the new blood will soon realise that they would have been better off buying something designed for the job.

If all classes had followed that mantra then the Fireball would have no trapeze and spinnaker, a N12 would still weigh 100kgs (or what ever it used to be) and a Merlin Rocket would still be a Merlin and flying a tiny tiny kite with no pole inside the forestay.

Everything should move on ... even the Laser now has XD controls...

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basically a magnum 8 moth with an assymetric?

 

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blaze type boat with assy is a good concept IMO, but it should be developed from scratch, not as a bolt-on to the blaze.  The hiking element increases the 'accessibility' as turning corners in a singlehanded trap + assy boat is blooming tricky, and the plank on the IC/AC/DC seems to be a tricky skill to master - I tried once and had a huge laugh but also fell in a lot!

if you could narrow the water line of the blaze, give it some more rocker and lighten it off (I hear rumours they are ~80Kg hull weight which must surely be 'improvable'), while giving a similar mainsail configuration <~10m2> with single-line launch/hoist and drop assy then you'd be on a winner, don't know about whether the racks would need to be much wider, they look pretty wide to me already and you have a c'board and knock-up rudder on the boat already so no worries with estuary or pond sailing either.
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Opps sorry.

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when u launch with a kick up rudder you are still less likely to destroy it launching then with a dagger style, if you try to launch in surf and youur boat goes backwards onto the beach you can easily flick your ruder to one side and it will come up on a kick up style on a dagger it will just bugger up your transom, then the same for the landing, dagger style means if it sticks you lose your transom, with a kick up style, you will break a pin or  a peice of rope.

to me i think replacing a peice of rope or a pin is far easier than a hull.

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Originally posted by ifoxwell

I agree... as a 29er sailor and ex Musto owner I find the dagger type rudder a pain.

It all sounds like a great idea but standing at the back of a skiff struggling with a stuck blade as you approach a beech at warp speed isnt fun.

Having said that trying to sail with a kick up rudder that refuses to stay down isnt fun either.

So Rick... are you looking at getting a different rudder to go on your skiff, or a 700 to go with your new rudder?

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I agree... as a 29er sailor and ex Musto owner I find the dagger type rudder a pain.

It all sounds like a great idea but standing at the back of a skiff struggling with a stuck blade as you approach a beech at warp speed isnt fun.

Having said that trying to sail with a kick up rudder that refuses to stay down isnt fun either.

So Rick... are you looking at getting a different rudder to go on your skiff, or a 700 to go with your new rudder?

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Originally posted by hollandsd

the 700 has a kick up rudder and thats what im looking at getting next year. easier to launch and recover than the musto

 

Actually I think launching with a kick up rudder is harder than a dagger rudder.

With a pivoting blade raked right back there are huge leverage forces on the blade and stock and it's hard to steer and you can easily damage somthing.

With a dagger rudder you can steer very well with only a small amount of blade down.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Merlinboy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Nov 08 at 2:00pm
Why learn to compromise??  IMHO a assy kit for a blaze would make a great blasting boat.  But in that sense i am contradicting myself as it would be a compromise!  There would be no reason for ents etc. allowing spinnys, as there are already loads of boats that fill that market.  There is on the other hand very very few hiking single handed assy boats!
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It all to easy as an outsider to a class, to suggest adding spinnakers and making the boat faster, but at the end of the day very few of us would sail in the class regardless of changes made, so our comments are not that helpful.

How many times have the N12, Graduates, Ents discussed adding spinnakers, the answer is rather a lot, and in all cases the classes have preferred to stick with what they have got, and rightly so. The boat was never designed for a kite and while it might encourage a few outsiders into the class initially, long term it will loose all the original class stalwarts and the new blood will soon realise that they would have been better off buying something designed for the job.

The blaze has its place in the market and a healthy class association so leave them to it.

Regarding a hiking singlehander with kite, while it sounds interesting I'd be a little unsure as to the real performance gain. To get down to PYs of 950 you need to create an easily driven hull with a powerful rig, and this will only work if you have enough righting moment to balance the power which means large flares or wings. Now both are in existence in RS300 and Blaze but neither is able to get to PY of 950, and the addition of a kite isnt likely to get it there either as the hull shape is too displacement orientated. If you look at most boats slower than a Fireball, an assymetric spinnaker doesnt really give you a great benefit as you cant generally heat it up to really get the boat going and then sail sufficiently low downwind. If you want a singlehander that really goes well upwind and down then learn to trapeze, or learn to compromise and buy a standard Blaze or an RS300.
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