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alstorer ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 02 Aug 07 Location: Cambridge Online Status: Offline Posts: 2899 |
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But Chris, what if two competing sailmakers just so happen to be of near equal skill?
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Chris 249 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 10 May 04 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2041 |
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If the sailmakers and sailors were of equal skill, then it would be a close
fight...... unless one sailor spent more money developing more sails, which (according to every sailmaker I know) results in a faster boat. Developing sails, hulls, spars, is all fascinating stuff and arguably a great test of the sailor (although I don't understand why being able to develop the sails within a tight ruleset is seen as so important by some who people ignore hull development or wider rulesets) but surely you can't say that all the time, effort and cash that goes into making one sail faster than the other does NOT affect results. Certainly all the sailmakers keep telling us that it does! |
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In the UK that's what we call a Mandy Rice-Davies statement... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandy_Rice-Davies#cite_note-4 Ater all, unless you do really serious amounts of two boat tuning, who knows which is faster anyway? |
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Chris, I just wanted to put the point across that No matter what the development, I'm struggling to think of a single example (in dinghy sailing) whereby someone won through putting in LESS time and have less experience but had far better developed equipment. I don't for a second think that development doesn't make a difference, because it does but as far as I know, the best sailor always wins. If cutting the cost to the sailors and restricting the arms race development cost is the issue, then there's a far simpler option. Put in price caps. E.g. Sails cannot cost more than £xxxx, The mast cannot cost more than £xxxx. |
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Whilst agree with your general thoughts..this thread is specific to the T and it hopefully regaining its ightful place as an olympic class. Therefore the class has listened to the problem of expense by ISAF and MNAs, Their viewpoint is that Olympic classes should be SMOD where possible, this they think will lower perceived costs and allow smaller nations to compete and with good platforms, as has been said in several previous threads, the platforms are capable of more than 1 campaign, this really left the sail development as an expense and with that in mind the class has reacted in a proactive way and put forward a suggestion which with good luck will result in a multihull regaining its place in the Olympics, and with multi...I personnaly hope Tornado. It is my personnal understanding that the IOC would where possible like all olympic classes to be SMOD, ie equipment supplied Edited by Stuart O |
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Thanks Stuart, a good answer to my apprehensions of the move. I do wonder if ISAF are being somewhat unfair by saying the Tornado is too expensive when the likes of the star and Yngling are in there. Not what you might want to hear but could it be possible that they've made their minds up for good and they're just going to throw excuse after excuse at the cat world? A bit of a far fetched conspiracy theory but as I've just mentioned, the star and yngling class aren't exactly cheap boats.
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Do you really mean supplied? That's going to make the sailing event very expensive for the organising nation if they have to supply perhaps 200 - 300 boats/boards. The host nations don't supply the bikes to cyclists or boats to rowers. I am sure they just want to see the playingfield as level as possible. |
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Stuart O ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 22 Jul 07 Online Status: Offline Posts: 514 |
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Yes Rick...from what I have heard through various sorces I do mean supplied equipment.....with probably the builders taking the costs.
Being realistic for 2012 it could just mean 16 more boats with more to follow, based on current equipment used Edited by Stuart O |
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That is an interesting development; I suspect builders would struggle to carry that cost .... I know they can sell the boats on but not at full price. What about classes were there are multiple builders? |
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Welcome to their logic; Perhaps these classes days are numbered too! |
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