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Chew my RS
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Topic: Sail TwistPosted: 21 Oct 08 at 5:58pm |
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Apologies for taking this of topic, but yes, I'm absolutely certain. Take a look at these for a thorough explanation of the process: http://www.arvelgentry.com/magaz/Another_Look_at_Slot_Effect .pdf http://www.arvelgentry.com/techs/A%20Review%20of%20Modern%20 Sail%20Theory.pdf |
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Posted: 21 Oct 08 at 5:53pm |
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I think this is where it gets confusing. I would've expected max kicker to tension the leech and therefore stop the sail twisting. I suppose the cunningham would flatten the sail at the top allowing it to twist. |
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Posted: 21 Oct 08 at 5:46pm |
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intentional. (i hope) It was very windy and some big waves, so the rig tension was let off making the jib slot open up. we had max kicker and loads of cunningham opening up the top of the main sail but notice the main was still brought to the middle. Made us go very fast that day |
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Posted: 21 Oct 08 at 5:41pm |
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So was that by accident or intentional? |
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Posted: 21 Oct 08 at 5:33pm |
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Sail twist (wind 25-30knts)
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Posted: 21 Oct 08 at 5:18pm |
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Could you break that down a little? Our shrouds and lowers are still on factory settings. The lowers are if anything quite loose. What effect does the lowers tension have on sail shape? I was as interested as you with the explanations of the adjustments made on some of the boats in the Endeavor Trophy. Somebody mentioned they moved the spreaders foreward and out. I can't work out in my head what that would do. It's all interesting stuff. Keep it coming! |
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Posted: 21 Oct 08 at 4:56pm |
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The tendency of the jib is very similar to the lee bow effect you get from
another boat ahead and to leeward of you. Too tight and it will 'head' the main which backs it. Even I know that much, but still made that mistake early on because at the end of the day the crew operates it and when it's windy we were more intent on surviving, we're past all that now. But it is a fact that the slot between the jib and the main, and this intel goes back to Scorpion times, actually venturis the airflow as well as slightly heading the main sail hence why you do all your pointing with the jib leading edge and it those tel tales you watch. Balanced properly a two sail dinghy rig is really acting as one unit as far as propulsion is concerned, but if you get the balance wrong you are effectively creating an air brake, which done wrong produces all those parasitic drag things I crack on about. We most of us these days with these modern boats are over canvassed more often than not, so getting the depower right is very important and I wish I could sort the magic rig formula, the controls open to us are so over complicatedly useless compared with what i"m used to. Bang the Gnav on, it will tighten the leech, but it also now bends the mast forward and flattens the sail unless you tighten the lowers which then prevents the cunningham from bending the mast to twist the top off because the jib tension will bend the top of the mast ahead of the bottom unless you then tighten the upper shrouds which then rakes the mast back and it doesn't point as well... it goes on. We've got a new main now, a good metre and a half smaller, but with very little twist at the head, I've not used it in anger yet, but it'll be ages before I work out what to do with it and when, life's a lot simpler for a windsurfer with just two controls, downhaul and outhaul. |
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Posted: 21 Oct 08 at 4:39pm |
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Are you sure? I was led to believe it was the venturi effect? Edited by tgruitt |
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Posted: 21 Oct 08 at 4:09pm |
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On some classes (RS400 for example) the boat is EXTREMELY sensitive to jib sheet tension. Always let the jib out if you let the main out. BTW GRF, the jib slows down the air flow over the main, not speed it up. |
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Posted: 21 Oct 08 at 3:54pm |
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We've always sailed with the jib hard on when going up wind pretty much regardless of wind strength. It sounds like it's more sensible to let it off a little to depower and reduce the main backing when it too is let off a little? All these new things to try. I'll have to right myself a list to take out with us. |
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