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    Posted: 11 Jul 06 at 12:55pm
Originally posted by Matt Jackson

The problem now is that I think
it is undercanvassed and want a bit more for the light
stuff.

When you think about it its quite ridiculous to expect
to carry the same rag in 30 knots as in 3 knots - the
side force is what, 100 times greater? The trouble is
that different size rigs is such a hassle, and from
personal experience I can assure you that in a single
sail boat is just about always worth handing on to the
bigger rig upwind because you suffer so badly downwind
if you don't, especially in the lulls. And iof course
the RS600 demonstrated this too, they virtually never
sail with the small rig do they?
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Originally posted by JimC

Originally posted by Matt Jackson

The problem now is that I think
it is undercanvassed and want a bit more for the light
stuff.

When you think about it its quite ridiculous to expect
to carry the same rag in 30 knots as in 3 knots - the
side force is what, 100 times greater?

I guess, but some boats manage it better than others. Does a boat that is 'sailable' in 3kts and 30kts always going to be dull do you think?

Of the boats mentioned here (IMO) Contender - Dog below 8kts. Fireball - Dull below 8kts. AC - unsailable in 25kts?. Phantom - unsailable in 25kts?

I know everyone will disagree and I don't want to hijack this thread so I'll start another - here



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Originally posted by JimC


And of course the RS600 demonstrated this too, they virtually never
sail with the small rig do they?


Exactly right!  Ive only diddy rigged mine once and never again, reaching and downwind speed is almost non existant!  I think paul smalley summed it up best and i quote "If its windy enough to use the diddy rig then its too windy to be sailing!"

.......though he is a fair bit heavier than me


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I know that some like to take the safe road but if you never push the envelope, you never find out how far you can go. Racing and high performance sailing is not all there is to sailing by any means but I'd hate to think of a life without extreme boats and extreme sailors to sail them. I have both worlds. I have a Swift to push the envelope and a lead mine for when I want to dring a cold one and sail with the family. Having the Swift to master has rekindled my love for sailing and my lust for life. To not have tried to build and sail the Swift because it was out of my league would have been the biggest mistake of my life. At 104kg and 40+ years, I could be concidered too old and big to go there but I'm glad I did.
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I take it we're not talking about the smaller (but rather Rooneyesque) brother of the Shearwater are we?
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I'm guessing the Swift Solo...
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My son, Lightning 368 national champ in 2005 got bored over the winter and bought a Magnum 8 Moth. What fun on a small lake, speed and splashes. When he broke it for the umpteenth time in two months he got his old Lightning out again. Bliss, he could think tactcs instead of survival and sail with delicacy and finnesse. He then won the Lightning Nationals 2006. Result, back in the bl**dy moth. There must be a moral in this story. I just carry on mending it.
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Originally posted by tickel

My son, Lightning 368 national champ in 2005 got bored over the winter and bought a Magnum 8 Moth. What fun on a small lake, speed and splashes. When he broke it for the umpteenth time in two months he got his old Lightning out again. Bliss, he could think tactcs instead of survival and sail with delicacy and finnesse. He then won the Lightning Nationals 2006. Result, back in the bl**dy moth. There must be a moral in this story. I just carry on mending it.


One question I would have is did the time in the Moth help with the Lightning? I have a friend with an FD and he was alway complaining about how his crew didn't have good wind sense and did not move well. His crew tried to sailboard and returned a much better crew for the time. I think he gave up sailboarding but the lessons stuck.

There is nothing wrong with returning to your roots and first love. Sometimes you have to get a little strange stuff to apreciate what you had.
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I'd be interested to know what the breakdown of those who think push the limit and those who think safe and fun is, vs. who sails on the sea and whose inland.
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I live inland and if I were at the ocean, it would depend on where I could sail. If there were a good beach access and some protected water, I'd still go for it.

The marina I normally sail out of is one of the worst for launching a small high performance boat. There is very little room between the docks and the breakwater is so high that very little wind that you can use makes it down to the water. I hope they make a ramp to the beach outside the marina sometime soon.
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