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    Posted: 10 Jul 06 at 6:00pm
Can I point out that there are quite a few musto guys capable of sailing in big winds. I have a DVD from when they were at Garda that proves that! Also I've seen 600's, 800's, 300's and even 49ers and 14's sailed by club sailors in big winds and them really enjoy it. Ive also seen the having fun in the lighter stuff when alot of slower boats are struggling to get going!
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My B14 stays in the dinghy park if its blowing.  I'm with liddel on this, I've been hurt badly by fast boats in breeze before and its learned me a few things!

WHen I was at Derwent Week a few months ago, it blew dogs off chains so I borrowed a friends Topaz Race - what a blast in breeze!  Easily more fun than my B14 would have been in that wind, as it would have just been stressful and wet, and mostly spent upside down with the kite trawling in the water. 

Now I've got the Contender, it's my high wind boat as it's not over-canvassed! 
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With the faster more challenging boats around today i think the high wind scale has to be built up to.  As you saw on saturday afternoon i was out racing in winds i wouldnt have considered going out it a year ago and i managed to complete the course (though it was painfully long) with only a couple of spills. 
Regretably I was one of those 600s on shore on sunday but that was due to my boat breaking on the saturday. 
There are still certain wind strengths that yes right now i would probably reframe from going out in (mainly if its very gusty) but at the end of the year i hope to overcome those conditions also. 
For me its the fact that the wind can STILL beat me thats keeping me in my 600!  I think if anyone moves out of a boat because they couldnt learn to control it is actualy slightly disheartening.  I believe every boat is controllable by anyone, its simply a matter of time.

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Originally posted by turnturtle

Originally posted by Doug.H

  I believe every boat is controllable by anyone, its simply a matter of time.

Doug


spot on Doug- but there is a section on the learning curve  (or bell curve when you don' taken a boat out for a few weeks!) where you are more in-than-out of the water and this can become the liability referred too.

It's true also, some rescue bods don't help- I had one really windy episode where the rescue kept holding onto the forestay as I tried to right the boat; I actually had to ask them to let go- they were only trying their best to help, but all I needed to do was get my weight off the daggerboard; around the front of the rack & into the centre line asap- when they were holding the bow from a high sided rib seemed to lift up the nose and power up the rig causing all manner of carnage!


Dont even get me started on rescue boats.

To shorten a very long story: a couple off weeks ago I broke the wing on the moth and sat there capsized waiting for help. After about 10 minutes the rescue boat arived and got ready to through me a tow rope.
A few minutes of explaining that you cant tow a moth, especialy with only one rack and he didnt beleive me but was going along with what I said.
He then demanded I got in the rescue boat and proceeded to stick his boot against the (very thin) hull and right her, then tell me to get in and drop the main.
A few more minutes argueing about not just being able to get in and walk about a boat 33cms wide.
Hes not happy
A few more minutes trying to explain to him the benifits of not having a halyard and having to capsize to drop the main
I jump back in the water next to the now capsized boat and start pulling the main off, he storms off back to shore in a huff.
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It was gusting 35 knots at tewkesbury, i borrowed a Solo from a mate and had an awesome time ! I used to sail a Phantom and i would have been very wet if i had of been sailing her, but i was stil happy to sail in 20 knots in her at only 15 stone.  Sailing in strong winds is what sailing is all about. I wish the weather was always like this
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Yeah i did the sensible thing of going out for the first time in a finn, that was borrowed off somebody else, in chichester harbour last weekend when my usual habitat is in a laser in a resevoir. The wind was awesome and absolutely flew along speeding past a couple of ribs, then tried to gibe and got very wet. But what an absolute blast, now gotta try and save my pennies together and buy one.
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A broken RS800 on the beach, the Solo blokes packing away, "shouty fireball couple" shaking their heads and the RS700 man getting out his windsurfer.

Two serious spills in the old laser 2, saw me and my 14 year old double handing his pico. Everyone bar windsurfers in the bar and we were still blasting.  It's embarassing to be out in a pico aged 43, but what the hell - it was like underwater waterskiing.  It was great.

Wind drops a few knots and I'm back out single handing the laser 2 - much, much faster, but not really much more fun.

I think.... the new super fast boats are great and perfect for normal weather.  But for mortal sailors its best to keep an old laser (or pico ... or windsurfer) on the side for a gale.  They don't happen that often.

As for safety boat drivers .... if you don't like what they do, become one.  You only miss the old day's sailing, and it's really quite enjoyable.

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well I know that feeling.Quite a few of the 49er boys(me included)  at our club were out in Laser 2000's Sunday afternoon They were a blast!

We didn't think twice about taking the 5000 out in windy weather,but the 49er does have it's limits not sure what yet.But we know ours at the moment

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Originally posted by Isis

Dont even get me started on rescue boats.

To shorten a very long story: a couple off weeks ago I broke the wing on the moth and sat there capsized waiting for help. After about 10 minutes the rescue boat arived and got ready to through me a tow rope.
A few minutes of explaining that you cant tow a moth, especialy with only one rack and he didnt beleive me but was going along with what I said.
He then demanded I got in the rescue boat and proceeded to stick his boot against the (very thin) hull and right her, then tell me to get in and drop the main.
A few more minutes argueing about not just being able to get in and walk about a boat 33cms wide.
Hes not happy
A few more minutes trying to explain to him the benifits of not having a halyard and having to capsize to drop the main
I jump back in the water next to the now capsized boat and start pulling the main off, he storms off back to shore in a huff.

I hear you mate. Being on safety seems to set some people off on a power trip and bring out the ego maniac in them.

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The problem with clubs having rescue boats is that people become very reliant on them. Having operated various types of club rescue boats over the years, once the weather gets seriously windy it's actually incredibly difficult to rescue many of the "non sensible" boats.
People often think that because your boat has an engine it can do anything, which really isn't the case. Self rescue is nearly always the best option, unless someone is injured.
Having said that, it is important for people operating club rescue boats to be familiar with how to rescue the types of boats sailed at the club, particularly for dealing with boats like the Moth and skiff type things, or even windsurfers!
As for last weekend, I didn't think it was excessively windy ...... however loads of other people did, the only finishers were a Fireball (me), a Contender and a Vortex. We were still on the middle mast rake setting so could have coped with plenty more wind!! But that's the advantage of sailing a "sensible" boat - and sailing in the really light stuff isn't too bad either..

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