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    Posted: 21 Jun 06 at 9:56pm
at hill head you sign on in before the race but you don't need to sign off. everyone knows whos out most days anyway so if you retire your either seen in the dinghy park or you shout at the rib and they will radio the race officer. good point about regatas though stef, its good to be in the habbit.
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Hi Rick,

Sorry I’m a bit late coming to this, I assume you’re talking about WYC. I agree that making people sign off within 30 minutes seems to be a way of getting them off the water, not the best way to encourage people to improve their sailing skills. I could see a safety justification for signing on and off but if the only consequence of not signing off is to be DSQ’d then that argument goes out of the window, anyway if one is signing on/off for safety reasons then there should be a similar provision for non racers who don’t have the benefit of rescue boats and/or a fleet of boats around them.

Most other clubs I’ve sailed at have a system where you sign on to say you are going to race. If you wish to retire you either contact the ROD, getting a rescue boat to radio in (or see him in the bar afterwards), or you write RTD (or DNS) on the signing in sheet, you don’t need to sign to say you have completed the race correctly as if you haven’t retired then that is taken as read. You could put a time limit on retirements, if you retire after 30 minutes you won’t even be classed as a starter but race results aren’t produced by hand these days so even if the ROD has done the results taking one finisher out and shuffling every one else up a place isn’t a hardship and doesn’t even need to be done on the day.

Having been DSQ’d at Whitstable a few times in the past because I was enjoying my sailing I had a look at the 2006 club rules and could only find rule 2.1 which is a requirement to sign on–  

 

2.1 …… Entrants shall complete the Declaration (signing on) sheet at the WYC course board on the veranda railing before going afloat to race.

 

So any 30 minute time limit must be a later amendment which I would hope will make it easier to change.

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Good spot, I will bring this to the attentin of the sailing committee.

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Originally posted by jeffers

Originally posted by Villan

Aaah .. the joy of a small lake .. where they can actually SEE if your afloat :P


I thought you were a member of Grafham, I dont class that as a small lake!


heh .. been a while since i read this thread.

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Good spot, I will bring this to the attentin of the sailing committee.

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At Carsington we only sign off.  But there's no time limit short of the club closing..

Means you can decide to race or not once you're out on the water.  The sign on is passing the start line.

Many's the time when I've been out for a blast, inadvertenly passed the finish line and gotten a hoot for finishing .... presume they later notice I never passed the start line!

Seems to work tho.  Guess our race officers are harder worked than most .... more reason for sticking to safety boat duties!

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Having read tough the whole of this post, thought that I’ll post what happens at Restronguet sailing club down in Cornwall. We sail in the Carrick Roads and sometime Falmouth Bay, both places known sea fog in certain weather conditions. If you race you have to sign on and sign off when you come back in, the shore based duty officer makes sure of that.  

If you retire, you must notify (that means telling) someone in the race duty group, i.e. one of the rescue boats, the committee boat (on start/finish line) or get the shore officer to radio the committee boat. Common sense really.  Or you get what happens to our duty group this year.

One of the RS800 broke a kite halyard and decided to go and get it fixed, however, they had launched their boat from a different slip that was not at the club and went back there. In their rush to get it fixed before the 2nd race, they had forgotten to tell anyone in the duty group! Let’s just say that we had to delay the start of the next race, while 2 of the 3 rescue boats went to look for them. Big place the Carrick roads. They were found and it was radio back in after one of the other 800 remembered and said ‘oh I think they broke something and have gone to Falmouth!’ The rescue boats had already asked if anyone had seen them!!!!

So at some clubs it might seem strange to make you do the signing on or off bit, but it gets you in to best practice for when you visit some of the sea clubs for opens, because it is there for a reason.   



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If action is taken when someone dosn't sign off then it serves a purpose. Sounds like your system worked even though it was a false alarm.

If all that happens is you get DSQ and everyone goes home seems a bit pointless.

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i think this is sort of related to this topic:

how much of your life should you sign away before you can go club racing?

should it be open meeting style "if you die its your fault" or is it enough just to let people know your out?

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