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    Posted: 06 Jul 06 at 1:35pm

ooops, spotted by Gael before hitting delete

Originally posted by Chew my RS

Okay, so the Y&Y test of the contoversional (on this forum at least) RS500 is out.  Any opinions?  Surprisingly no mention of the V3000 as an alternative...

i had responded to the above, seeking 'redress' for the V3000

anyway, the outcome is we're arranging a 'three-way comparitive boat test' between a standard Laser 3000, one fitted out with the new sails and retrofit options, and the V3000 ... maybe sometime in August or early September

likely venues are Carsington, Wilsonian (Medway) or Llyme Regis - I know which I'd prefer

THANKS CHEW!

 

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i quite like the 500s looks. i saw it at the feva nationals and it looked like a proper boat. was that when y+y tested it? and well done to y+y for drawing the comparisson between 800 and 49er and 29er and 500. i think that was very helpful especialy as i am moving out of the feva this year.

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Originally posted by BigFatStan

Originally posted by Chew my RS

Anyone know why a jib hanked on to the foretay (49er, Mirror and catamaran style) is better than the more common wire in the luff?



The luff tension is independent of the rig tension. That's it.

 

Many boats have sleeved luff and are able to adjust the jib luff tension in a variety of ways (a jib cunningham being the most common) I suspect they're used because they're cheap and easy to rig, no other reason.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote m_liddell Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Jun 06 at 5:12pm

Originally posted by jeffers

Watch Top Gear....when Clarkson and co dont like a car they let their opinions be known.

+1. This is because the BBC don't have any car ads so they can get away with it. Magazines get lots of their money from the adverts in them. Is a magazine going to write a scathing review about a product from a company that spends a lot on ads with them? No. Even if 'Joe bloggs' gets to go and be a tester for a day, he is not the one writing or editing the review.

Compare opinions by knowledgeable people who have used a product to mag reviews. The difference is often huge. Magazines are second only to a salesman on commision for objective reviews.

 

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Yeah but I'd take everything Top-Gear says with a pinch a salt and see it more as an entertainment program than a car review show. Some cars that Clarkson has slated have turned out to be pretty good. Any review is a rough guide and say you really want to watch a film that has been sl*gged off by the film review in your local paper, are you going to not watch it just because the paper has told you its not good? I wouldn't buy a boat without forming my opinion of it first. I've loved all the boats that I've had over the years but if I just listened to other peoples' opinions on them, I probably wouldn't have sailed them, pretty glad I formed my own opinions.

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Originally posted by fizzicist

However, when was the last time you saw a car get absolutely panned? There are no shocking cars any more. My point is more from a positive perspective; there are some absolute gems out there, which just don't seem to sell in any number, yet the design deserves to.

Secondly, if a set of criteria are drawn up for reviewing a boat (boat speed, pointing ability, stability, responsiveness etc for example) then it also allows an at a glance review of the boat which tells us what it's like, rather than whether it's any good.



Watch Top Gear....when Clarkson and co dont like a car they let their opinions be known.

The problems with what you may think is a gem of a design and what someone may think is a gem of a design are 2 different things. However the classes which best fit a persons needs tend to be popular, classes where the market gets flooded have to fight for survival. It is my opinion that the Blaze may face serious competition from the Solution at the lighter end of the weight range however I believe the class will continue to be strong as it already has a loyal following and a large demand at this moment in time.

Whether the Solution will suceed or not time will tell but it is a well designed little boat and I look forward to trying one in due course.

Rotomoulded boats are aimed as pleasure/cruising/family sailors. They seem to fill the brief well, I think they are rather too many of them about right now and in time only the best will survive.

Again just my 2p....
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Originally posted by BigFatStan

Originally posted by Chew my RS

Anyone know why a jib hanked on to the foretay (49er, Mirror and catamaran style) is better than the more common wire in the luff?



The luff tension is independent of the rig tension. That's it.

Prefer the hanks to the wire in the luff, means that jib luff tension is totally independant of rig tension, which isn't the case in classes such as the 4k and 5k where some boats are dependant on the wire in the luff as the forestay. Also means that rolling the sails is made easier and there is no chance of the wire chorroding within the sail.

Back to the 500, think y&y got it spot on when they drew parallels between comparing the 500 to the 29er in the way that the 800 can be compared to the 49er. Keeping an open mind about the boat because the RS800 is a cracking boat and if the 500 is of the same standard, maybe a lot of us have been misjudging it especially when the PN is 960 which doesn't seem too far off the mark when comparing the specifications to the 29ers

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Post Options Post Options   Quote fizzicist Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Jun 06 at 3:49pm

Originally posted by jeffers


I think the reason that boats don't get panning review unlike cars is because (just perhaps) there are no truly awful boats being launched these days and they all 'do what they say on the tin'.

Just my opinion of course :-).

Paul

However, when was the last time you saw a car get absolutely panned? There are no shocking cars any more. My point is more from a positive perspective; there are some absolute gems out there, which just don't seem to sell in any number, yet the design deserves to.

Secondly, if a set of criteria are drawn up for reviewing a boat (boat speed, pointing ability, stability, responsiveness etc for example) then it also allows an at a glance review of the boat which tells us what it's like, rather than whether it's any good.

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oxygen, for example, there would be no way to make water, a vital
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Originally posted by Chew my RS

Anyone know why a jib hanked on to the foretay (49er, Mirror and catamaran style) is better than the more common wire in the luff?



The luff tension is independent of the rig tension. That's it.
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