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yellowhammer ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 08 May 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 270 |
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Spoke with Jeff at Vandercraft a couple of days ago ... he's built three 'production' hulls now, to order, and has orders for two more (Nick being one) Two are going to Wilsonian (on the Medway) where the trials took place ... everywhere the boat appears it gets interest which will hopefully lead to more orders ... one to Torbay, one to Carsington, and one is Jeff's (Bristol C?) Jeff says the Phantom class had just 30 members when he started build, they're now up to 230+ ... here's hoping!!! |
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mike ellis ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 30 Dec 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2339 |
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sorry i should have made that clearer. in the light stuff you cant get the bow down upwind without fighting past the hounds. |
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600 732, will call it Sticks and Stones when i get round to it.
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yellowhammer ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 08 May 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 270 |
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with the gnav on the V3000, the lowers have been raised to the top of the strut so it's not such a squeeze, but crew on foredeck is faster in the very light stuff ... it's comfy once you get there the 'underpowered' sail plan means sail control is not much of an issue for the 3000 compared with higher performance boats ... average settings for the conditions works, possibly playing the kicker occasionally the kicker can be fed back to the helm within the new rules ... with boom sheeting and no mainsheet turret on the V3000 (or converted Laser 3000s) this will be easier to arrange the narrow beam and small rudder mean you have to react to gusts before they hit ... good prep for higher performance boats (and adds to the fun) the hull/rig combination suits the "KISS" approach to controls, letting crews concentrate on conditions and tactics, with their heads out of the boat |
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Medway Maniac ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 13 May 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2788 |
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Interestingly, after the comments by Mike Ellis we canvassed the present L3k owners as to whether they wanted a different rudder blade. With one exception, they thought the present rudder was just fine and didn't want any changes. As to the accusations of lee-helm, most asymmetrics will exhibit that if you push them high enough onto the wind, but the L3k is perfectly balanced if you're sailing it at the right apparent angle downwind, which with that boat is pretty deep. We expect the lighter V3k to perform best downwind if headed somewhat higher on the apparent wind, hence the shorter pole & kite foot that Nick A. describes; a useful by-product of that is that the boat kite-reaches better - something which most asymmetrics don't even aspire to. |
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mike ellis ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 30 Dec 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2339 |
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i dont sail a 3k at all i just borrow a freinds one occasionally. his boat has massive shark bites in all the foils (not sure how) so i probably found that the rudder was useless because of its shape. please don't listen to anything i say here unless someone else agrees with me, i am not a 3k sailor.
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600 732, will call it Sticks and Stones when i get round to it.
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yellowhammer ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 08 May 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 270 |
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A couple of views from V3000 demonstrations at Queen Mary over the last few weeks, posted on our website: "Just wanted to pop in and say I had the pleasure of trying out the new V3000 a few weekends ago with Graham from Queen Mary's. I have to say it's an extremely nice boat, & would get my vote over a Vago. The Vago is more comfortable to sit in, but my goodness the V3 is way nicer to sail. It's light & goes like the clappers when a gust hits. The Vago feels like a plastic tub compared." (RS700 sailor who learned single handed trapezing in a Laser 3000) "When we hoisted (the kite) this Wednesday in 23-26 knots of wind, my Wednesday night crew, who also sails a standard 3000, and I both agreed that we never knew a 3000 could travel that fast. Phenenominal!" (Laser 3000 owner)
That first one's especially to wind Sumo up!!! |
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NickA ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 30 Mar 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 784 |
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All laser 2 and 3k foils have shark bites don't they (yellowhammer?). I think it's part of the design Trailing edge is too fragile by half and not at all trap hook proof. Roll on 29er stylee ally foils I say! PS: I'm told the V3000 rudder is a laser EPS one - thinner.
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Medway Maniac ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 13 May 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2788 |
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I think we may have a fix for the shark bites. Watch this space.
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yellowhammer ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 08 May 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 270 |
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huh? i just padded out a 'surplus' 20mm EPS blade to fit a 25mm Sea Sure stock I picked up from Jeff to replace my stolen one. The production rudder was the standard 25mm version last I knew. won't an ally daggerboard chop the boat in two if you get it caught between a rock and a hard place? (or maybe it's the shark's teeth that do that) |
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If your boat is up and planing and getting some serious speed and a shallow rock RUDELY posotions itself in your way then i imagine any dagger board will be putting a serious crack along the length of the boat.
I put the centreboard down too early in an 800 (when launching) when sailing for a guy for the second time.......he ended up buying a new boat and needless to say if we hadnt managed to pull out a good result that wknd i dont think he would have let me crew for him again! |
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