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Pabs 
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 Topic: Bandits!Posted: 26 Jun 06 at 8:37pm |
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I would go for the Wider Fireball's good in any thing and RS 200 in force 0-3
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laser47
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Joined: 11 Feb 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 349 |
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Posted: 26 Jun 06 at 8:03pm |
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i would say anything that's part of toppers "rotomoulded revolution" has a screwed up handicap especially; topaz (duo with a light crew it easily beats other supposedly faster boats) magno, vibe and taz (duo rig is the same as a cadet allthough it has similar performance to a pico or topper)
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Medway Maniac
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Joined: 13 May 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2788 |
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Posted: 26 Jun 06 at 5:12pm |
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I'm semi-seriously saying it's fun to handicap race for the honour of your class, whereas when you class race it's really just interpersonal, i.e. it's your own ego that's the motivation isn't it? (Ok, it can be 'interesting' as well) |
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mike ellis
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Posted: 26 Jun 06 at 3:53pm |
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there is one topaz tres at our club but it never races so we dont get returns for it. apparently it is a pig to trapeze off because it has a smoothe hull for people to hike from when it has a different rig and there are no kick bars. |
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600 732, will call it Sticks and Stones when i get round to it.
Also International 14, 1318 |
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allanorton
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Posted: 26 Jun 06 at 3:46pm |
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Definately Tasars with their new sail plan. Light winds - Enterprise Strong winds - Fireball or 420 Worst handicap is probably the Laser Edited by allanorton |
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Guest
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Joined: 21 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 0 |
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Posted: 26 Jun 06 at 3:45pm |
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I don't understand the point you are trying to make? |
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simsy
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Posted: 26 Jun 06 at 3:00pm |
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Has to be the IC. The pointing ability they have is unreal, im sure I saw it pointing about a degree off the wind yesterday, still going at warp speed. Iv sailed against IC's on a number of occasions now, and they are extremley quick.
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Rupert
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Posted: 26 Jun 06 at 2:40pm |
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Going back to the Topaz Trez, when it first came out, we thought Great, 12' boat with 90sqft of sail, just like the Firefly, but with a spinnaker as well, so we went and tried one...the amount of power from the "white" sails is considerebly less than the Firefly, the hull is not only floppy but is more "cruising boat" shaped. Up wind, the firefly leaves it standing, and down wind you might stand a chance on a perfect asymmetric reach, but on a run you'll just be left criss crossing behind the Firefly's wake. Do many people race them on handicap, and make returns, or is it still Topper's recommended number? British Moth and Comet may be good in the light stuff, but REALLY pay in the stronger winds, especially the Moth, which reaches max speed in about a 2, and after that is pushing a bigger and bigger bow wave! |
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Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686
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jeffers
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Posted: 26 Jun 06 at 2:08pm |
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British Moth or Comet in light airs are both bandits.
Phantom is definitely a bandit h'cap until the wind gets up then it falls away (which is probably why it is placed where it is). As for the Topaz we have 2 at my local club, one is sail by a (very handy) ex 470 sailor. He does ok but I would not class that boat as a bandit at all! Paul |
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Paul
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Medway Maniac
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Posted: 26 Jun 06 at 1:25pm |
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I find it more interesting to contemplate why I've been beaten by another class than why I've been beaten by someone with more/less lard...
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