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ssailor ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 11 Oct 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 430 |
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Because they are sh*te
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Scooby_simon ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 02 Apr 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2415 |
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Any difficult boat to sail (where some have mastered it) will always be a bit of a bandit. Consider the MPS for example – A joy to watch the like of Sten sailing one and you know it’s going quick, but the back of the fleet are swimming a lot. Hence the handicap (by definition) will be based on the average of the good sailors vs bad (or learning) sailors. So the harder the boat is to sail, the more people struggle, so the “average” performance (and so the Hcap as this is based on the average) gets slower. Thus the good sailors have a nice number to sail off. |
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Guest ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 21 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 0 |
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The above is quite true - so if you can keep the boat upright anything a bit difficult will do - 49er, 14 etc ... If your sailing standard is poor and you still wan't to win a HC race then you need a boat that develops faster than it's PY or has had a recent significan rule change. But - really seems to me HC racing is just for fun - class racing is what you should care about. Rick |
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m_liddell ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 27 May 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 583 |
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Because it is one of the most horrible boats ever created. The hull with all the extra junk on it weighs a LOT more than 60kg and bends like crazy. It is the most hated boat by sunsail staff since it takes 3 people to lift them anywhere. Also for a trapeze, asy boat to have the same rudder fittings as the topper is stupid, they break in no time. The mast also has the wrong metal rivets in it resulting in mast breakages in F1-2. |
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Medway Maniac ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 13 May 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2788 |
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No! Race for your boat/class's sake, not your ego! |
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tornado435 ![]() Posting king ![]() ![]() Joined: 05 May 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 196 |
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The biggest bandit on two hulls has got to be a spitfire! Thats based on SCHRS which is purely measurement, guess what it was designed after the rule was created! Got to support Scooby here, class racing is the only way you are going to be able to rate yourself on a level playing field. Handicap racing can be fun but it always allows you a get out clause. |
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But class racing is where you learn the most and its much more fun on the race course. Im sure you've seen my face of utter boredem and discontent as i round the windward mark with the rest of the fast fleet then say bye bye once they all put their kites up.....who am i to race with then?? Ps. Good result in the grand prix tony, thought you might have beaten ther vortex though. |
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Medway Maniac ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 13 May 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2788 |
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I find it more interesting to contemplate why I've been beaten by another class than why I've been beaten by someone with more/less lard...
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jeffers ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 29 Mar 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 3048 |
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British Moth or Comet in light airs are both bandits.
Phantom is definitely a bandit h'cap until the wind gets up then it falls away (which is probably why it is placed where it is). As for the Topaz we have 2 at my local club, one is sail by a (very handy) ex 470 sailor. He does ok but I would not class that boat as a bandit at all! Paul |
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Rupert ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8956 |
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Going back to the Topaz Trez, when it first came out, we thought Great, 12' boat with 90sqft of sail, just like the Firefly, but with a spinnaker as well, so we went and tried one...the amount of power from the "white" sails is considerebly less than the Firefly, the hull is not only floppy but is more "cruising boat" shaped. Up wind, the firefly leaves it standing, and down wind you might stand a chance on a perfect asymmetric reach, but on a run you'll just be left criss crossing behind the Firefly's wake. Do many people race them on handicap, and make returns, or is it still Topper's recommended number? British Moth and Comet may be good in the light stuff, but REALLY pay in the stronger winds, especially the Moth, which reaches max speed in about a 2, and after that is pushing a bigger and bigger bow wave! |
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