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    Posted: 26 Jun 06 at 12:41pm
Originally posted by Medway Maniac

Originally posted by Guest#260

But  - really seems to me HC racing is just for fun  - class racing is what you should care about.

No! Race for your boat/class's sake, not your ego!



But class racing is where you learn the most and its much more fun on the race course.  Im sure you've seen my face of utter boredem and discontent as i round the windward mark with the rest of the fast fleet then say bye bye once they all put their kites up.....who am i to race with then??

Ps. Good result in the grand prix tony, thought you might have beaten ther vortex though. 
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The biggest bandit on two hulls has got to be a spitfire!

Thats based on SCHRS which is purely measurement, guess what it was designed after the rule was created!

Got to support Scooby here, class racing is the only way you are going to be able to rate yourself on a level playing field. Handicap racing can be fun but it always allows you a get out clause.
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Originally posted by Guest#260

But  - really seems to me HC racing is just for fun  - class racing is what you should care about.

No! Race for your boat/class's sake, not your ego!
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Originally posted by boatshed

Topper Topaz Tres.   Fully battened main, asymmetric, trapeze and 60 kg hull.  All this and a PY of 1190 which makes it slower than a Firefly.  I just can't understand why I never see any ?

Because it is one of the most horrible boats ever created. The hull with all the extra junk on it weighs a LOT more than 60kg and bends like crazy. It is the most hated boat by sunsail staff since it takes 3 people to lift them anywhere.

Also for a trapeze, asy boat to have the same rudder fittings as the topper is stupid, they break in no time. The mast also has the wrong metal rivets in it resulting in mast breakages in F1-2.

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Originally posted by Scooby_simon

Any difficult boat to sail (where some have mastered it) will always be a bit of a bandit. 

Consider the MPS for example – A joy to watch the like of Sten sailing one and you know it’s going quick, but the back of the fleet are swimming a lot.  Hence the handicap (by definition) will be based on the average of the good sailors vs bad (or learning) sailors.  So the harder the boat is to sail, the more people struggle, so the “average” performance (and so the Hcap as this is based on the average) gets slower.  Thus the good sailors have a nice number to sail off.  

The above is quite true - so if you can keep the boat upright anything a bit difficult will do - 49er, 14 etc ...

If your sailing standard is poor and you still wan't to win a HC race then you need a boat that develops faster than it's PY or has had a recent significan rule change.

But  - really seems to me HC racing is just for fun  - class racing is what you should care about.

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Any difficult boat to sail (where some have mastered it) will always be a bit of a bandit. 

 

Consider the MPS for example – A joy to watch the like of Sten sailing one and you know it’s going quick, but the back of the fleet are swimming a lot.  Hence the handicap (by definition) will be based on the average of the good sailors vs bad (or learning) sailors.  So the harder the boat is to sail, the more people struggle, so the “average” performance (and so the Hcap as this is based on the average) gets slower.  Thus the good sailors have a nice number to sail off.  
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Because they are sh*te  and no way do they only way 60kg when your sailing one, the rigs made of cast iron I dont really think its a hull of only 60kg, its rotomoulded after all so shud be heavier!


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Topper Topaz Tres.   Fully battened main, asymmetric, trapeze and 60 kg hull.  All this and a PY of 1190 which makes it slower than a Firefly.  I just can't understand why I never see any ?
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A lot of boats are bandits in certain conditions. The Phantom & Wayfarer in lightish airs, the Canoe in F.3+. Generally hiking boats do well for their h'caps in lighter winds, trap boats in stronger.

But there are some boats that are always bridesmaids, the Tasar and L2000 for example - too undercanvassed to compete witht a Wayfarer in the light stuff, not enough righting moment to take on the trap boats in a blow... Might include the RS400 there?
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> Bloody Well Sailed Solo's are absoulute Bandits

Err, aren't bloody well sailed anythings bandits against less well sailed other things?
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