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    Posted: 26 Jun 06 at 9:18am
Will the carbon mast penalty ever be brought back?? Taken out to keep the Nacra 20 boys happy!!
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Racks will be included in the calc of "beam" to get a "righting moment"

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You and me both Steve.

More sail, less righting moment might give me a chance without having to eat lettuce for the rest of my life 

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Post Options Post Options   Quote SX-ed up Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 Jun 06 at 4:25pm

I take the point about encouraging racks, my worry about using overall beam is if we assume the pivot point is the downwind board (plate, skeg) then boats with wider hulls, for example a shearwater, have a narrower effective beam. You then need to get more complex by using the waterline beam for the boats righting moment and the total beam (or distance from the downwind board to the trapeze 'artists' feet i.e. (total beam + waterline beam)/2 ) for the crews righting moment.

It's all a bit fanciful anyway as most boats are designed to be powered up in a similar wind range, with the sail area dictated by righting moment and the SCHRS already goes to great lengths to calculate sail area.

One good thing though, if boats start to get narrower because beam costs on handicap then perhaps I can forget the diet   as a couple of extra stone on the wire will come in handy.

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Originally posted by 353rob

Congratulations and well done for taking up this thankless job, It's good to see some life coming back into SCHRS, it has a solid foundation with a few very small problems. Looking forward to seeing how the A Class rating comes out, 97 to .98 is just too hard to race to, have a look at the results of the Round Texel for a good guide to the circular random results of the different classes and the elapsed times.

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I think they would have still walked it at Grafham on 0.98! 

As for the Righting moment calc; It's something like that ! (secret for now )

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Congratulations and well done for taking up this thankless job, It's good to see some life coming back into SCHRS, it has a solid foundation with a few very small problems. Looking forward to seeing how the A Class rating comes out, 97 to .98 is just too hard to race to, have a look at the results of the Round Texel for a good guide to the circular random results of the different classes and the elapsed times.

All the best. Rob
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Good starting point Steve , but by measuring between waterlines rather than total beam would that not encourage large rack systems as seen on skiffs etc.

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I know people poo poo the py system but a purely empirical system will always have flaws. Is it possible to put in a returns factor?

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Simon,

You'll have problems finding a rule that works across all wind strengths, light boats will do well in less wind but wider heavier boats will be powered up later but will stay powered up longer. Here's a starting point for a righting moment factor:-

Boat Weight * 1/2 beam

+ (number of crew * beam + number of trapezes *0.9) * crew weight.

The first part is the righting moment of the boat itself, we should really use the distance between the two waterlines instead of the total beam. To which we add that of the crew, if they sit in then their righting moment is beam times weight, if they have a trapeze then we say their c of g is 0.9 meters further out.

You'll then need a fiddle factor to bring the numbers back into line, F18 are the most common boats under SCHRS and they come out at 735 in the above so we could use that as a fiddle factor to give:-

735 /(WS * B/2 + (NC *B + NT*0.9) *WC)  

This will of course penalise the wide boats doubly in light winds as not only will the rating go up but they tend to under perform their handicap then as they can't unstick the windward hull.

It's only a start

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Originally posted by Sprint Bob

Simon

Yes, I'll be at the East Coast Piers Race.

Cheers

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OK, Perhaps we can have a quick chat over a pint on Friday night.  I'll be there late AM / early PM.

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Simon

Yes, I'll be at the East Coast Piers Race.

Cheers

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