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    Posted: 11 Jun 06 at 9:26pm

I read Ian99 as saying that a decent anemometer will measure speed not force. As such, it would be equally accurate anywhere.

Of course, it depends on how you define 'decent'. I'd have thought that a good rotating turbine-style of anemometer would have such minimal bearing drag that the turbine would always effectively spin at a rate proportional to the windspeed, regardless of the air density, i.e. it will be accurate everywhere.

An instrument that depends on the pressure force exerted by the fluid - e.g. a vane with a pointer that moves against a spring or gravity, will depend on density and therefore be less accurate. That said, anybody who's used an anemometer will know that the fluctuations are usually so great, gust to lull, that such inaccuracy would be hardly noticeable and thus irrelevant, or so I'd have thought...

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yeah i suggest doing a search mate.....there's loads of this stuff on the forum that's been discussed before.....
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thanks for that it has cleared some of it up.

So an anamometer built in the uk set to measure wind on a summers day at sea level in the uk is not accurate anywear else.

And yes i agree the beaufort is what on what you can see not a measurement.

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The effect is far more noticeable with altitude. Try sailing at nearly 6000 feet above sea level and wind speeds of 25+ knots become far more manageable.
A decent anenometer should measure the actual speed of the air movement and shouldn't be affected much by air density - there's only the resistance of the bearings providing any kind of load.
If however, you use beaufort scale to measure wind strength, a force 5 will always feel the same regardless of altitude, temperature, humidity etc. The beaufort number is classified by the effect the wind has on the sea (or objects such as trees on the land). The wind speeds in knots at sea level on a British summers day (I'm guessing they used a British summers day!!) which have this effect are only there for convenience.
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One  example i have heard is that an aeroplane that takes off in dubai mid summer must have a higher take off speed to get the lift than it must in the uk where the air is denser.

So for colder denser wind do we get more power per knot of wind than in a hot country with lower density.

 

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The anamometer picks up local conditions and what the wind "appears" to be like right? So therefore it is elementary whther it is reading 16 knots in colder or denser airs as the anamometer is reading the force going into it, accounting for the local air pressure. Therefore i think the effect of the wind would be the same in both - in your scenario twenty knots, however the true windspeed in the denser air may not be that speed the denser air is just casuing it to appear faster.

That's jsut my line of logic, may be complete bollocks and i'd be happy to be proved wong  
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Reckon denser air will produce higher pressure over the sails, so it will feel windier.......Don't now how much a difference it will make and we tune the boat according to how windy it feels on land and do fine tuning on the water..... Thank Bethwaite (aka God) for those turnbuckle thingys......
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Post Options Post Options   Quote feva_sailor Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Jun 06 at 4:08pm
ye that was when the laser were in brazil there was a big disscusion
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There was a big discussion in the mag about this a year or so ago, and various experts came up with lots of conflicting reason why it is true/isn't true. Thats science for you! Best evidence was from world class sailors who use more powerful rig settings in a warm force 4 than in a cold force 4.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote gonzo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Jun 06 at 3:13pm

i had to go and get a drink i didnt want to be harsh thnkyou so much isis

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I know this is probably in the worng place and it should be in weather but im not sure how mnay poeple go there.

Ok... if you have an anamometer that reads 20knots in the UK (Cold damp air MORE DENSE AIR) and a anamometer that reads 20 knots in Dubai (hot dry LESS DENSE AIR)

Are they both produceing 20knots?

If yes then is the force they are blowing the same as the denser air must provide more particles as there is more of them fitting your sail?

Kind of confused on this

 

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