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    Posted: 02 Jun 06 at 12:45pm

Originally posted by Holly

We are a little light for the boat but I am confident that on any boat a slight weight disadvantage can be minimised by executing the correct techniques on different legs of the course.

I confess that when it comes to standing rigging settings I know very little I think the two guys that had the boat before us were a fair bit heavier, so I'm sure that some adjustments could be made here when I come across a member of the sailing club prepared to help a poor maiden in distress!

From what can gather when we're overpowered we must:
- have the cunningham cranked on YES - VERY Hard

- jib track right back YES
- kicker, on or off?? there seems to be some conflicting advice here! ON - VERY TIGHT
- play the main (as much as my little arms can handle!) YES
- pinch, some saying do so a little and others not at all?? YES - BUT - Only A Little and not sawing the tiller from side to side.

Thankyou for all your responses - I'm still confused but this time it's more of an educated confused!!

A  200 isn't like a trapeze skiff so a bit of feathering isn't the end of the world but it does have to be a little and smooth NOT heel, luff, jib flap, heel to windward, big bear away heel, luff etc

Where do you sail? It makes a difference as what works on a small lake isn't as effective on the sea or a large lake. If you're in the North, get to Delph open on Saturday and I'm sure that you'll get all the advice you need.

 

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^id agree with that, As long as your not jerking the tiller up and down, heading up slightly in the gusts to keep the boat flat is probibly not a bad idea. Im amazed we havnt found more 200 sailors to comment though, a lot of this seems to be educated guesswork.
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I'm sure you're right never to pinch in a skiff, 29'er397, but a 200 ain't a skiff.

I think a little pinching wouldn't go amiss in the 200, just to take the heat out of a gust, and yes Holly, crank on the kicker as well as the Cunningham if you're overpowered.

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i would say never pinch, unless you were about to go for a dip! you would only end up going slower and slipping sideways, it is faster (in my experiance) to sheet out and sail lower if anything, so you keep the speed on and slip sideways very little. Only my opinion
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We are a little light for the boat but I am confident that on any boat a slight weight disadvantage can be minimised by executing the correct techniques on different legs of the course.

I confess that when it comes to standing rigging settings I know very little I think the two guys that had the boat before us were a fair bit heavier, so I'm sure that some adjustments could be made here when I come across a member of the sailing club prepared to help a poor maiden in distress!

From what can gather when we're overpowered we must:
- have the cunningham cranked on
- jib track right back
- kicker, on or off?? there seems to be some conflicting advice here!
- play the main (as much as my little arms can handle!)
- pinch, some saying do so a little and others not at all??

Thankyou for all your responses - I'm still confused but this time it's more of an educated confused!!
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I think Rick sails a 200 a bit so I've been hoping for his response or from lucy as I think she's had several top results but as I've had a couple of top 3 results at Fat Face events I guess I should comment.

First, you are a bit light - around 17st when the real top crews such as the Hewitsons are around 20st. I sail with 21st but I'm still not as quick as them in a blow - in fact only last weekend, they won a very windy (F5 gusting F7) event with me third - and they were quicker upwind. Why? - well a lot of it has little to do with their rig. First they work very hard - so you need to be fit, and able to hike the whole race. Second they sail as a team - so in every big gust , both sails are eased a little - (and together) and they hike even harder and then they sheet both sails in again - together. They rarely seem to 'stuff' and in fact twice sailed low and out through my lee after rounding a leeward mark behind me. their tacking is smooth and coordinated and of course they (usually) go the right way.

Maniac has most of the rig advice about right.

In a real blow such as at the weekend, we almost all sail with increased rake. I'd guess you'll need to rake earlier and even more than most. To lose power, flatten the sail by applying lots of kicker and even more downhaul (cringle touching the boom if needed) as this does open the leach. The main is rarely sheeted in more than a foot off centreline, and often out as far as the corner of the transom. Make sure your bridle isn't too short as this will increase leach tension and sheet loads. In these conditions, the Jib is never sheeted max tight as when main is sheeted out, an oversheeted jib will drag you sideways. Also very important to have the Jib track right to the back to open it's leach and avoid choking the slot.

Sit slightly further back in boat and if you need to stuff, don't 'saw' the tiller from side to side, try to find a comfortable angle with say the front 100mm of the jib just about backing and try to settle at that angle.

All easier said than done, but at the end of the day, just sailing, gaining experience and hopefullly a little weight will pay off for you eventually.

It might also be an idea to ask around the fleet and get a crewing job with a top sailor if you can. And of course make sure you capitalise on your weight advantage when the conditions suit you!

Good luck.

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On a boat without lowers or effective deck control, pulling on the kicker will bend the mast and flatten the sail low down. So far so good, if you're overpowered. A side-effect that worries you, Holly, is that it will also tighten the leach - that's when you need to pull on the Cunningham which then causes the top of the main to blade off again, i.e. reintroduces the twist in the main. So you end up with a flatter sail that's still nicely twisted. Such a sail can then be sheeted out further before it will flap or the slot starts to choke up/backwinding occurs, i.e. you can sail with decreased incidence on the main effectively reducing the side-force.

Another consequence of such flattening, however, is that the main has lost force relative to the jib so that the centre of effort of the rig will move forward affecting the helm balance. It's for this reason you need to rake the mast aft when you flatten the main.

In answer to your original question, Holly, to stuff the boat up with the helm or to play the main: I can't imagine a 200 is going to plane to windward under normal circumstances, so there's no point in sailing too free. I'd have thought that a judicious combination of easing the main and heading up would bring the best results in the gusts, but it would be nice to hear from a top 200 sailor on that one.

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Originally posted by Lukepiewalker

Bear in mind if you don't have the kicker on when you let the main out the mast will strighten and you will power up before you depower, hence having the kicker on so that when you let the main out the boom doesn't rise as the mainsheet tension comes off.


but with no kicker if you ease the main, the top of the sail will twist off considerably dumping power from the TOP of the sail, so i dont really see how it will power up....??  Assuming of course every time the ease the main they dont feel an urge to bear away as well. 
Thats why in boats like RS600 you effectively pull on kicker to Power Up. 

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Bear in mind if you don't have the kicker on when you let the main out the mast will strighten and you will power up before you depower, hence having the kicker on so that when you let the main out the boom doesn't rise as the mainsheet tension comes off.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Harry44981! Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 May 06 at 9:45am

Eat more cake!

In seriousness- I m,ostly crew in 200s, but I've sailed with various helm, and trhe guys at the top of the fleet tend to use the downhaul, and easing main as the first methods of depowering, only putting large amounts of kicker on when it is seriously windy.

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